@David Lyon:

Saṃsāra is a belief invented by people who hated to be trapped in their physical bodies. They believed that all physical reality must be a prison. I don't agree with this belief, because it conflates the prison planet with the entire universe.

Physical reality is not the prison. The prison is just a part of physical reality.

This is were we disagree: You are on the side of the people who think that physicality itself is a prison.

@David Lyon:

"we have documents that suggest that the Reincarnation system was invented long before "People" and therefore "Before Humanity"."

Reincarnation is not a "system". It's a natural ability of the ISBE. What you call reincarnation system, I call death traps. And I agree, the death traps were invented before humanity.

"We're geared up to deal with reincarnation without hatred."

What do you mean by "deal with reincarnation"? What exactly do you want to change?

PLEASE remote view how to escape the prison planet as an individual ISBE, different possibilities at least 3 after death we can use!! You did the Escape but that's in an unspecified future it could be tomorrow it could be 10000 years from now when the matrix falls, not a personal escape plan and there was a hint in Lao Tzu: follow the most difficult road not the easy one, there were three accounts in the 21st century which were confusing not clear at all, but a more complete detailed individual plan with different options would be great!!!! Especially coming from at least 3 different subjects who have ALREADY escaped the death traps in the past, there must have been some other than Lao Tsu. please we want this. With your human remote viewers of course

@antonella ercolani:

Harvey already mentioned that it is possible for individuals to escape, IF the individual knows how the traps work.

This is what I know so far:

If you don't fall for the light, one or more beings will appear and talk to you. I don't know what they tell people, but it seems like they try to persuade them to go into the light.

It's also possible that you don't see the light, or that no beings appear. I don't know why. Could be a capacity problem, like the system can only handle so much deaths at the same time. Would also explain why ghosts wander around, and why people seem to see more ghosts after catastrophes with many deaths – like an earthquake for instance. Remote viewing such catastrophes could yield interesting insights about how the traps work.

It's also very interesting that Airl, according to the Alien Interview book, not only knew about so-called "body traps", but must have been able to circumvent the traps as well, because she went back to the asteroid belt. When Farsight viewed Airl in the present, it seemed like she isn't trapped at all. But this could also mean that she belongs to the bad guys.

➡️ https://alieninterview.org/2025/10/body-traps/

"follow the most difficult road not the easy one"

Yes. If they can't bait you, they will try to intimidate you. The intimidation works if you believe that they can hurt you. Interestingly, Aziz, when talking about his experiences, described a "hook" that is used to pull you. As far as I'm concerned, this only works with beings who believe that they are the body. The knowledge that you are an immortal being and don't need a body to survive will make you "untouchable".

@David Lyon:

"These passages establish that the first humans were personally fashioned by God, rather than arising by purely natural processes."

First of all, I don't distinguish between God (the Source) and natural processes. All nature (natural law) has been invented by God. This doesn't mean that God invented the trees and birds. It means that God invented the ISBEs and the laws that govern natural forces and the consequences of free will behavior.

The first human bodies were created by ISBEs who didn't come from Earth. But the ISBEs – including the souls inside human bodies – are natural beings.

Also, don't forget Lilith. Eve wasn't the first woman.

"Using simple logic, if Humans are reincarnated then the specified "God", whatever race of ET's "God" was (using Farsight logic), then they must also have been a reincarnating race."

What do you mean by "reincarnating race"? A race that's forced to reincarnate by nature? As far as I know, this doesn't exist.

@Steward:

"Realising we are in a prison (body) within a prison (the system)."

So you believe that the body itself is a prison? I disagree. The body is only a prison if you are forced to incarnate into it. But if you aren't inside the prison system, there's still the possibility to choose a body voluntarily. Incarnating into a body by free will choice isn't a prison by definition. Of course this means that you don't forget anything.

Manuel wrote:

> The first human bodies were created by ISBEs who didn't come from Earth. But the
> ISBEs – including the souls inside human bodies – are natural beings.

That doesn't align with Humanities current broader understanding of Science, which all points to the ability of 'Life' to do Genetic Modification as needed/wanted.

Also there is an excellent remote-viewer named David Powell. He remote-viewed the construction
of Humanity and found that it was done in a Laboratory environment.

My remote-viewing has shown me that Human evolution is still taking place. Other remote-viewers
corroborate the story.

Even Courtney says that he has a Hybrid daughter, which pronounces that Humanity has further
evolution to go. And it isn't "Natural", it's all done with Genetic Engineering.

Your views are very out of touch with the Farsight Remote-viewing, and the information presented by the wider Remote-Viewing community.

There is no free will on a prison planet....let's just get rid of that part of the arguement. Many agree we are on a prison planet....
if that is true then chuck free will out the window....we only have the 'ILLUSION' of choice. That isn't free will, and surely if given our true free will and sovereignty, we'd choose to never come back here and have our memories wiped.
I saw a movie a while back where it said that
"forgetting is a gift'
if you think of it that way it was them in the movie were using some drug to erase their memories so they could play a sick game where they did horrible things to each other, horrible vile things, then they'd use some chemical and it would remove their memory and it'd start over again.
So is forgetting a gift or is it a traumatic thing or spiritual chickanery for psychopaths that feed on us and continue their escapades because we won't remember it so why care about what they do to us.

Nancy wrote:

> There is no free will on a prison planet....let's just get rid of that part of the arguement. Many
> agree we are on a prison planet....

I don't think that is a completely true statement.

When you visit people in prison, they have a choice about what they will do after they are released.

They also have a choice about how they will act while they are there.

Earth is just a "realm" or a "world".

Courtney also describes it being described by outsiders as "a dangerous place full of zombies".

> and surely if given our true free will and sovereignty, we'd choose to never come back here and
> have our memories wiped.

Maybe we had that life that we'd rather forget :-)

> So is forgetting a gift or is it a traumatic thing or spiritual chickanery for psychopaths
> that feed on us and continue their escapades because we won't remember it so why
> care about what they do to us.

Forgetting is a gift of kindness.

It allows bad memories to be wiped and to 'start again'.

In regards to psychopaths, what if they were psychopathic type souls at their core and
they were just thrown into the Earth Realm because it is or has been a Prison here.

That would explain their existence pretty well wouldn't it?