Much of what we've gleaned from the Harvey discussions is more generalized -- or at least, it feels that way to me. Given our apparent predicament, a "deep dive" into the issues is in order. Not sure a live Q&A would work, given what Courtney has to balance out while speaking with Harvey, but some well-crafted questions would work -- that is, questions that address specificity such as the politics, what we can do, what exactly are the "good ETs" doing with such risk, if in fact they are unable to do anything direct (as has been explained). The more I consider these things, the more questions I can think of.

Being collectively well-informed is going to go a long way here.

But to one of my primary questions, I am curious what the "good ETs" idea is of "catastrophic disclosure" -- then we can compare to what we imagine it to be. For example, and in contrast, the "good ETs" description of free will doesn't really make sense to me. Being coerced into a situation (in this prison) after having been trapped *and* assaulted with electricity -- that doesn't seem like a reasonable definition of free will, but l am open to Harvey's elaboration on this.

I'm looking forward to more clarification on these issues.

I agree Forrest that some things Harvey said need more clarification. In general I found that the info was extremely limited. As if they underestimate 'us'. So I also hope to get more clarifications.

Most of us here rely heavily on information from Farsight, we are heavily invested. Some other sources are opportunistic, suspicious (Elena Denaan) and even fraudulent -- taking full advantage of the informational "black holes" that exist surrounding "disclosure". Some of that is deliberate ("disinformation").

Without specifics, we are really left to ponder. Even though nobody can predict exactly, there is an advantage here, in the remote viewing tribe.

There is heavy emphasis on how serious our collective predicament is on this "prison planet". We are told by Farsight that a lot is in "the balance' right now -- we're in suspense. "Catastrophic disclosure" (however that is defined) is ultimately needed BEFORE our benefactors, the "good ETs", will take action on our behalf. Action that we alone are unable to take or render unto ourselves. Talk about feeling powerless.

Many of us do not have the advantage of ANY type of ET contact. That leaves many with an abstraction of reality, or what we think is happening. What we are told is happening.

To that end, I believe firmly that Harvey, et al, have much more to say. I'm ready to listen, I'll make the time.

Some independent broadcasters like Redacted and Tucker Carlson have intimated their "disclosure" contacts have brought them very dark, disturbing information that they are afraid to discuss publicly.

*Withholding information in this context helps absolutely NOBODY*

In the recent video of "Interviews" with Courtney, he mentioned the reptilians have a taste for raw flesh. This is the closest I believe he's come to intimating that reptilians use humans as food sources. All of this dark, disturbing information needs to be brought out, front and center into this pile of uncertainty we're contending with.

If mass consciousness is involved, imagine people being concerned, or even freaked out about some of the dark things going on? Would that be effective in context?

Here we are. Knock knock! :)

Fully agree with what you're saying. Withholding of information is exactly what steered me away from the new age channelers. I expect more from the galactic federation and Harvey, otherwise it's starting to look no different than the new age channelers. We need a Lacerta Files-style of conversation between Courtney and Harvey where disclosure of the truth occurs. We want to know what Harvey and his team know.

Courtney has also emphasized that this is also a "mental prison" -- we're not meant to know what's going on. The cat is kinda out of the bag now. Larger fact-based awareness would seem in our mutual best interests.

Because most of us (at least myself) do not have ET contact, our information is gleaned from (mostly) Farsight (which I trust). I feel strongly that expanding the facts vital to both sides (us and the so-called Good ETs).

To my comment about Redacted and Tucker Carlson, I think they are more "new" to this and, in their own regards, are trying to get their minds around what's going on -- I can imagine it's really shocking. But, free journalism needs to be transparent -- sometimes the facts are indeed ugly.

On the Lacerta Files end of this, I still wonder if there might be some way, some technology, that could be employed to drop their psionic veil -- imagine that in a location where these reptilians are likely to be like NYC. Imagine then their reaction when they realize you can SEE them. GRIN. I'd run.

A year or so ago, I broke my cable TV dependency. It was tough at first, but I got used to Apple TV and other options that I can control (what I watch). I've since found it relieving. When I was younger, I went for years without a TV (during the days of Desert Storm and before). I got the paper (no websites then, LOL) and it was easier for me to moderate.

My point to this is to your larger point of controlling our attitude and what we consume. Part of the "Archons" or our captors tools include propaganda and other forms of influence through that medium. Not that we won't ever be exposed to it.

I also remember when CNN was actually a decent channel. The entirety of our TV culture has turned into a big toilet LOL

I'd love to hang out with the larrikins.

But back to my original query, I feel like beyond simple things, "we" down here in this prison planet feel very limited in what we can meaningfully do. Many of us don't have direct ET contact. Courtney had said that we can and should reach out -- but if the "Good ETs" can't get involved before a vagely defined "catastrophic disclosure" then what are their activities here, etc. So many questions.

It's that "we" down here are limited heavily by our circumstances, but there has to be more we can do, even collectively.

You bring up a very important point, in the Ameri-centric element of this. Me being from the US, we (the public) can often make a lot of assumptions. A part of my guess (well, assumption) LOL is that the black programs here are the dominant factor in the ET tech department. But we don't know that for sure. Other countries don't appear to have their own whistle blowers coming out of the intel closet.

While we remain somewhat in the dark about what the "good ETs" consider a proper "catastrophic disclosure" -- I can only refer to what I might define it as.

Harvey has suggested they cannot simply appear here without starting an all-out hot war, where the "bad ETs" could nuke the entire planet -- we would all get trapped into the "death traps" and remain in the same predicament, brought somewhere else. Doesn't sound pleasant. He also says he cannot show himself to anyone, as that would immediately start a conflict -- I am wondering how the "bad ETs" would detect this.

Apart from world leaders holding a direct, live and public forum to announce and start this disclosure, what would constitute as "catastrophic" nature for us? For me, having mass sightings of huge ET vehicles (everywhere) and contact and such might be a start. But Harvey warned this could be used against them.

My idea of a "catastrophic disclosure" is what would rile up the public, creating an existential and perhaps a constitutional crisis. I really believe that our society can handle this now. We will have some chaos, but we're well adjusted and we will be just fine. Governments may struggle here, with their legitimacy being challenged.

On the flip side of this, "catastrophic disclosure" does NOT (IMHO) result from a presentation from Greer, Grusch or any of the other so-called "whistle blowers" (I have suspicions there). At the end of the day, these presentations are just fantastic stories. And while we trust the sources of these narratives and stories, you have to concede that is all they are to us, and our imagination at this time. Most of us are left with these in our minds, akin to how you feel after having read an incredible book (and I mean no offense there).

Incredible facts require incredible evidence, as the saying goes. We humans are tactile -- tribally and psychologically.

In one of my posts, I mentioned the opportunists (of which there are many) who crop up and lay claim to substantial roles such as being an emissary for the Galactic Federation, or some other novelty -- these people are working to another end, filling the informational "black holes" that exist because of the lack of concrete evidence. It's also dysfunctional and potentially dangerous, as all dis- and mis-information can be.

I am eager to hear more specific information from Harvey, et al, about their definition of "catastrophic disclosure". There has to be a TON of logistical planning and resources involved. You otherwise don't just "show up" ready to accomplish this monumental task of freeing our world.

For that matter, has Harvey mentioned they have accomplished this task before? I don't recall. I imagine they have, though.

I find it all very frustrating. In particular, their are other doctrines and narratives that validate the death traps, Archons, and however these are defined. The thought that we would have to go through that again is a bit terrifying.

And here some of us are, feeling a tad helpless at the moment.

A few things about this...

I've *heard* that many countries/regions in the world are so used to UFOs buzzing over that this 'disclosure' thing would be a bit of a joke... they already *know* they exist. They've seen them frequently enough to know the question isn't "Are we alone?", but "How long have you been here, and what are you actually doing?" (and, "where are you from?") So, from merely an existence perspective, it's largely a USA thing (with a few other countries thrown in - again Five Eyes cannot be trusted as sources of information to the public).

And, thus, the " I really believe that our society can handle this now." is again, largely in parts of "the west" (USA, Can, UK, etc). - if you're a fanatical monotheist following one of those 3 major Abrahamic religions, and take your holy book as gospel (obviously, pun intended), then it becomes an existential crisis. If you're not, then it's a fantastic thing, but hardly Earth-shattering (again, pun).

So, in that respect, "catastrophic disclosure" is merely that the US MIC has those craft and aliens, and has deals with them. (and the academics that go with it).

"Harvey has suggested they cannot simply appear here without starting an all-out hot war,"

I don't think that's exactly true. I think it's more - can't appear, get filmed and made available online for everyone to see. ETs regularly take up humans from the planet (either voluntarily, or abduction), so being seen isn't that much of an issue. Taking really good evidence might be. Thus, there would be ways around this "problem" - if they really wanted to!

"At the end of the day, these presentations are just fantastic stories"

Absolutely! And I don't think anyone is in doubt about this - including said whistleblowers themselves. Which is probably why more don't come forward - they don't have the evidence that would make enough of a difference to risk their (family's) lives. If they did, maybe we'd see more action (until there's better whistleblower protections in place - and not merely laws on paper... the US MIC is more than willing to kill people to keep this "secret".

You bring up an important point, about US-centric perspective. Me being in the US, I need to be reminded of that (!!). I feel like that notions adds more nuance to what Harvey (et al) may be eluding to -- indicating where the catastrophic disclosure has to impact the most, the powers that have agreements with our captors (the "bad ETs"). Otherwise, this type of official disclosure in a country that's used to UFOs (Peru, I believe is one), presents issues -- one, the society there will be fine "Like yeah, and your point?" LOL But also, very very easy for the powers here to censor that information or even discredit it. And we see that going on so much these days, to the point where it's just blatantly obvious.

To that end, it would be entirely appropriate for Harvey (et al) to elaborate still on their definition of "catastrophic disclosure" or what elements exist on their "checklist" that would trigger their open involvement. Unless disclosing certain facts may put other activities in jeopardy -- he/they can still say that, so we understand and don't feel like we're sitting here waiting to exhale.

The religious folks are the ones that will have the most trouble. This breaks the paradigm they are involved in and threatens the influence of the religion itself -- something designed to keep us focused here in the prison system to begin with. But, I feel like even they will be OK after they go through their grief. As the rest of society moves forward, they will have support, unless they go berzerk.

As for Harvey, et al, appearing. My understanding was that even their craft appearing would trigger a reaction from the captors ("bad ETs"). We know that our forces here can and do shoot them down and happens after is quite troubling. I am curious "what" the "good ETs" are doing.

On a side note, the AARO report from the US about "Nothing to see here, go back to sleep!" is a complete joke and is being reacted to as such. Dr. Michael Salla suggested there may be another attempt at the original terms of the UFO Disclosure Act in the US when it comes time to authorize defense spending. It's like The Muppet Show in the US

Returning to the stories element, that's what I feel like is I'm involved in this incredible account of things, events, stories and agenda... without anything tangible to work with. That is challenging.

As I keep pondering the questions that crop up for me personally, it becomes more confounding. Such as who am I really, where did I come from, what happened that got me here, WHO did it, etc.

I think a good example of Ets outing themselves - whether it be true or not - was the Miami Mall incident in Florida. Look at whatever was going on there. It seemed like a litmus test to how the public would react and respond, and we saw how law enforcement responded - 70+ vehicles for teenagers fighting? I'd love to see the paperwork behind that incident.

"From what I know of the 5 eyes, they seem to setup quite a few "revolutionary" groups quietly steered by their own people."

Yeppers!