So, to free ourselves, there seems to be two primary things to free ourselves from the recycle process:

1) Reverse Aging - Basically, being able to stay on this 3D plane with a youthful and viable body as long as we desire
2) Ascension without going through the 'death process'. - Basically, when people have decided to move from the confines of 3D density, we find a way to ascend into a 'light body', perhaps 4D or 5D.

I am not saying I have the answers to these things, but like any other problem to be solved, it's first a matter of defining the desired outcome. There is huge hope here because we have to remember that we now have a massively parallel communication system - the internet.

Unfortunately, the net is being used for stupid stuff like porn and celebrity gossip, but when the serious beings on the planet start seriously collaborating on addressing how to accomplish the 2 points above, we can make some huge process. My advise to anyone is to spend as much time as possible keeping your body youthful and healthy. The longer you can stay here and avoid death, the better your chances of being here when reverse aging and ascension technology becomes available. In the interim:

--Fast
--exercise
--MEDITATE (this is huge)
--Research ascension pathways (lots of stuff on this)
--If you are young, don't have children unless you want to bring in more slaves. It does not make sense to procreate until we can free ourselves
--Collaborate with people across many forums. Anti-aging is a huge topic today.
--Learn how to enhance mitochondrial function - this will greatly assist with reverse aging and anti-aging
--BE A MASTER - you may have to go to work everyday, but your only REAL goal is to get off this slave plantation. Anything else like marriage, children, careers, etc is just going to get you further mired into the slavery. Harsh but true.

Ok, how do you both prepare yourself for escape and execute it upon death? I have read Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls by Nigel Kerner. He suggests not going to the light but first centering yourself by looking within for strength and focus. You then look for “holes” in the energy grid and by intent launching yourself through it and off this world.

Very good advice Stephen. Yes meditation is huge. Do it more regularly now. With regard to aging try a supplement called astragalus. Supposedly it can stop and possibly lengthen the telomeres of your DNA. Been practicing self hypnosis to enable my dreams to become lucid most of the time. My next goal is routine astral travel for direct experience in preparation of death and develop a mindset for it. Only did it once for a short time before I got scared and re entered my body. Been advised not to be afraid but there are entities there I feared. Felt was not ready. In retrospect believe allowing fear was problem. Being fearless and loving of all you encounter has been said but difficult to do.

Still new to this forum. Just joined. Saw what appears to be your reply to me on email but don’t see the text here even after a refresh. Anyway who is “they” you refer to? You say “they” don’t have the strong human emotions so can not. I agree per many sources but their technology may.

They = 'non human life forms'

Also try C60 - its a super-antioxidant and protects against free-radical damage

Can you or others give details on the soul barrier that surrounds the earth. If we understand the mechanics, power source, design, and operation why can’t it be disrupted or disabled?

It would be interesting to know by whatever means (remote viewing, hypnosis, NDE, astral travel, or whatever) who has escaped and how. Beyond that I struggle with letting go of bonds (spouse, girlfriend, family, other loved one or even dogs) that I hear is one aspect of getting free of Earth.

Yes Eve it is often written that the pyramids play a role in the mechanics of the grid that capture our souls on earth. In spite of this no advanced civilization past or present know how to disable it. You can find detail in the book Alien Interview, Wes Penre Papers, and other books. How did you intend to destroy them? What was the role of your “helpers?” Who were they? Why did they think it was a good idea to keep this grid?” If this was simply a dream how could you exert physical destruction?” Not being critical but simply curious about this and what more you can share.

Hi Eva, Sounds like you might have been able to disrupt the beam without the remote viewers. Since we are familiar with the viewers of Courtney could you tell who they were? All very interesting, Thx

Yes I wish freedom but for all not me. It would be selfish for just me. Plus I want to provide karmic payback to the reptilians who have enslaved and fed (literally) off of us. My guides are my helpers and only once did I encounter someone I knew (a very enlightened woman I knew) but assistance was focused on the jam I got into as a stranger in a strange land. However I am learning. Lucid dreaming is key to practice conscious intention in the ether. I understand the dangers and consequences of fear both for myself and the viewers however it’s weakness & must be overcome.

The video from Brett Stuart / TI / Moksha - reveals a bit.. somehow having your body placed at 45 degrees angle when you die??? - and some other races are there ready with a "rope" to pull you out? - We still need much more research on this. Personally I think this is the MOST important thing/knowledge we can know and should be a priority for anyone wishing to leave this prison to find out how.

Yeah now that you remind me, I do recall those details, which seem oddly specific yet vague at the same time. 45° with regard to what orientation? Also, why?

It's just regrettable those woo woo videos he was doing not only ended but were removed altogether.

I remember promise of a separate video by TI discussing the exact method(s) of avoiding the trap(s).

I think he meant the positioning of the body? If this truly is the case, then it would be very difficult to achieve unless one had a terminal condition and generally knew when they were about to physically die.

I think Brett got a lot of flack/negative feedback from his "Moksha" video (Dont quote me on this) - but he decided to do more self improvement stuff on his channel (which is also good)

But you're right. As we have some confirmation that this trap system maybe real, then the next logical step is to research all possible avenues of escape, as we have only ONE chance, right now :-). If we get caught up again.. how long before we stumble on this again???

I wonder if just being aware of this information and having it in your consciousness is enough to escape. As in, if I were to die right now being aware of this, I wonder if I could somehow navigate the afterlife transition and avoid the bright light.

when Ghandi was shot he immediately started a mantra entering into a transcendental state because he knew that your dying thoughts are extremaly important. in the death process as we heard in these RV sessions all of the subject seemed to be stuck reliving their death to one degree or another. this is part of the trap. dying with clarity is a rare an precious gift that can allow the soul to transcend to the highest levels. otherwise we get stuck if our minds are cluttered with caos and fear which unfortunately is how most people die.

You need to train your subconscious to be aware of these things. A good start is lucid dreaming. After that astral travel. As said many times meditation is important. Practice recognizing the state you are in. Realize if you are in a dream. Practice conscious intent in it. In a dream pull your fingers and see if they stretch out. If so you better hope dreaming. In the movie Inception remember the spinning top.

Training is important.
I have to mention here that these death traps resemble what Carlos Castaneda in his book "The Eagle's gift" calls the Eagle. In his book, the shamans apparently are able to see the gap in the eagle and bring their apprentices to an elevated state of consciousness where they teach them the route or a map to go through that gap, they use this elevated state of consciousness to practice traveling this route together until the day they are ready to finally depart.

After death we are confused and don't believe our situation...we look the same and live in the same space but we get no response from others even our family. Most are lost here with fear,terror and anger and along comes the guides that direct you to the light....if you go you are trapped but if you don't you can wander the astro world for along time(ghost). The only way out of this dilemma is to not to fear and ask to go to the creator.

this also should be done...before you die....forgiveness...anybody that has done you wrong, all your enemies all those you hate because of what they did (some people can't help being who they are) just send them love and forgive. Most importantly forgive yourself,,,,,no matter what you've done! Without love in your heart you will recycle here!

Lee, Reread Interview with an Alien that Courtney referred to as well. I’m not as dismissive of it now as I was when I read it. Believe you are correct on about being your own thoughts. When the alien described how the soul is captured he/she/Airl said they are detected after dying and ordered by hypnotic suggestion to return to the light. Once there you are zapped. What if through training of your subconscious by hypnosis you could reject an hypnotic suggestion that orders you to return to the light? Remember we must be willing not forced to do this even if “tricked.” This would require repeated self hypnosis sessions to reject such a suggestion and instead trigger your own to look for an opening in the grid to escape through by intention. According to Wes Penre you must ask permission of a council on Saturn (tough to believe) to continue your journey as a sovereign soul done with this solar systems experiences. He says they let you continue. So you are right, control you thoughts and control what happens to your being/soul. As one who has done self hypnosis and lucid dreaming you must learn to do this subconsciously. That takes practice & focus. However it makes sense that the decision/will remains with us. Our calm focused thoughts and intent not their hate, disorientation, confusion, and bait to a false happy escape. We remember what we are.

Larry R Hyde,

Where in Wes Penres research does he say this? Do you have a link? I have read his material and do not recall any of that. In fact, in his forums currently he simple states if you wish to leave this matrix then just do it. Look up for the grid and with intention nano travel through it. There are holes now, apparently from those of us waking up and our energy no longer holding it together in places. The only requirements I read were that you must have no fear and no attachments or beliefs that can be used against you to pull you back. So, yes, in some ways many are not ready, but to prepare you only need to have intention to leave deep inside your soul.

Julia,

When you write where does it say that in the Wes Penre Papers? Are you talking about when Ankraman says you need permission from the Council of Xander or Zendar or Saturn to leave our solar system? I am aware of other writings about this council but have not read this in Wes’ material. And I have read all of Wes’ material, watched all his videos including those not available to the public, also a Patreon, on the forum and Discourse Chat with he and Ariel. I talk to them by email some too. So I know them pretty well and I have never heard either Wes or Ariel ever say once we get outside the grid we have to stop at Saturn to get permission from the Council of Saturn to leave this construct. In fact Ariel told us she would be avoiding Saturn all together.

Hi Lori,

Yes, exactly. I have also read the papers, watched all his videos and read his forum as well, though I am not a patreon member so haven't had access to what you have. His information feels totally correct for me and I had never heard of this Council of Zendar and it rings of totally false information to me. I do not believe we need anyone's permission to escape this construct nor do we need helpers, in fact as Wes Penre suggests, that help will get you whisked right back to the trap. Humans, unfortunately, have a deep seated savior complex which for many has them hoping for a President, a benevolent alien species or ascended masters in the astral to guide up and away to freedom. Thank you for commenting!

https://wespenre.com/2019/02/02/third-level-of-learning-paper-8-galactic-federations-and-councils/

Also Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls by Nigel Kerner

Thank you.. I'll look and purchase to read.

Is this similar to Gregg Bradens works on mind/heart coherent meditation?

Yes he learned it from them, and works with them.

Lori you sound as if there is no hope. Believe anti aging was suggested more to give us more time to prepare in a many ways. Some are fundamentally sound like meditation. I use TM. That can help us do what you suggest such as control and release of our emotions and attachments. I will read the Wes Penre book. Checkout Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls by Nigel Kerner. Don’t think anyone has all the answers but we use what we feeel is right. Nigel goes into the quantum physics of it all with both our souls and the grid. Almost seems as we possibly could disrupt the grid here

Lori,

I totally agree with your post. I also don't see this as no hope. We humans who are now aware of this have a chance to escape the grid and this enslavement. This is an amazing thing and an amazing change happening right now for our human soul group. Sure, not everyone will make it for many reasons but I bet there have not been many that have been able to escape in hundreds of years if not longer. This is something thrilling.

Hi Larry,
Sorry if my comment was misunderstood. I think there are many natural therapies including vitamins, herbs, meditation the list is vast that are excellent. The benefits to all of this does includes anti-aging and in that context I am not against this. I was speaking more to the AI component and the merging of technology with the human mind.

Julia, the hypnotic command issued to the soul comes from the captors per Interview with an Alien. You should read it. Permission to continue on journey from the Council of Zendar on Saturn is from Penre’s YouTube video on After Life escape. My other comments on based on my experience with hypnosis and my subconscious. Don’t think one person had all the answers. Believe we all have much to learn

Hi Larry,

Wes Penre has removed his videos from Youtube. He has his own video site now. I can't find the video you mention so if you have a link or exact title to look for that would be great. I do know that Wes Penre warns that any "council" if part of the Sirians and hence our controllers and not to be trusted so maybe he was explaining about another trap. His research covers so many other researchers and he puts it all out there, then at the end gives his analysis where often he disagrees with something and he says why. "Council of Zendar" sounds like just the sort of fakery he would warn about. Yes, we all have a lot to learn and no one knows the exact truth no matter how hard we research. We probably never will but we can trust our inner knowing to get the right answers for us, which may differ from others and thats ok :o) THanks!

https://wespenre.com/2019/02/02/third-level-of-learning-paper-8-galactic-federations-and-councils/

In that way we aren't different then the ones creating the trap. A small change of no longer eating intelligent animals can help the world just a little. I switched to vegetarianism because of my daughter about a year ago and months later out came the impossible burger, beyond meat... now its sold in grocerry stores. Carl's Jr promotes it...Burger king promotes it. Dunkin donuts nationwide role out of protein based sausages.

A small change you make in your life changes your reality that you are in.

Plants are intelligent to.

His guru was Swami Vivekananda

Based on what a Courtney said it didn’t matter what you were in life or level on enlightenment. The trap and controllers don’t care and you will be recycled, right?

Jean-Claude,
It’s interesting that what you said enabled the earthly escape by the subject were his heart centered qualities of compassion, honesty, forgiveness, and concern for others first…As opposed to hate and other negative emotions. In a simplistic way this sounds like judgement in Christianity. If we are “good” (qualities you describe) we go to heaven. If not we go to hell (earthly prison). A twist here is that we appear to already be in hell and judgement rendered by the resident warden, Satan. Weird

Larry, about your first comment:

"Based on what a Courtney said it didn’t matter what you were in life or level on enlightenment. The trap and controllers don’t care and you will be recycled, right?"

I have to confess that I don't remember exactly what Courtney said. It was a long day at work and I was completely exhausted when I watched the video. And it was late at night. In fact, I intended to watch 15 to 20 min, then go to bed. But, I could not stop watching... I am well rested now, so I will go over the video again today.

Going back to what Courtney, well I'm not sure that the recycling of souls is an automatic process. I think that the trap is there but I am not sure that every soul that crosses over is automatically taken to the trap.

My understanding of this video suggests that through our lives' actions and activities, we set the conditions that allow the trap to either be present or absent when we die. In so many words, we are solely and fully responsible for what happen to us after death.

I'm saying that because, in the video, I don't think that the soldier who escaped the matrix interacted with the trap at all. He did not need any bandage (beautiful images/sensations of the trap) to alleviate his pain or anger during his transition because he was not under overwhelming pain or anger. As I recall, during his transition, he was fairly calm, collected and well aware, and he accepted his situation.

My point is that the trap is a bandage that is presented to those souls who crossover under extreme duress. And our actions and activities when we are alive determine whether or not we are going to be presented with this bandage (the trap) to alleviate our anger, pain and suffering during our transition.

In so many words, we are the master of our destiny, and how we live and do in 3D determine our life on the other side.

Yeah I need to watch the video again as well. My information is not just from the video but also the first book I read about this and what Courtney refers to in the video - Interview with an Alien. There the trap is a device created years ago by an alien race that was defeated but the device still works. In the book Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls it is described the same way but with much more scientific detail on our soul and the grid around the earth. It is disturbing that 2 books I have read and dismissed the ideas were later corroborated by Courtney’s remote viewers that I have great respect for. I urge you to read both these books. Per others I plan to read Wes Penre’s book too.

Larry,

Thank you for showing me that a link exists between the path of man salvation as formulated by the WingMakers and the one advocated by traditional Christianity.

I have to confess that although I was raised christian, I left the church many, many years ago. So I did not see the connection that you are mentioning.

And you are right, there is indeed a connection between the WingMaker's salvation path not only with Christianity but also with all other religions.

I also agree with you that life is difficult, challenging and very complex on Earth. However, I struggle with the notion that satan is responsible for all our pain and suffering. By pointing the finger at satan, we are surrounding our sovereignty to him and become useless pion in the sea of creation.

Yes I agree. Labels are always meaningless if not diversionary. I simply use the word Satan as used in the Bible and oddly similar to the degree of pure evil presence, environment, and intent of the captors the viewers describe. That is not simply a soul recycler but a realm of malice, evil, dark, pain inflicting, and rather than allow you to move on to the “heavens” sends you back to hell/earth without choice. We can’t ignore what is being said by the viewers and Bible at sheer face value. Yes I was raised a Baptist but simply use that information as I do with this. We pick what we think is true and assemble these ideas in a concept. However what we will experience is real.

I think it is important to remember, that one way to get somebody to accept a deception, is to mix it with a lot of truth. The alien being interviewed could be very cunning. We are sections of Source, Mini Creators. We are ultimately responsible for what we create for ourselves.

Larry, thank you. I read the book that Courtney and you are referring to, a long time ago. If I'm not mistaking the lady was a nurse during or after WW2 when it was discovered that she could communicate with a captured grey alien. I think her name was Matilde or Matilda.

And I think, the trap was discovered when the soul of Archiduc Ferdinand of Prussia (whose assassination in Sarajevo triggered WW1) escaped from the trap. Well, I could be wrong but I need to revisit this book again, because like you, I was not really sure how to take that information. I will wait to read the second one that you have suggested. It would be depressing to read read both of them successively.

Larry,
Wes Penre Papers were an eye opener for me.

When asked on the forum about the book Interview With An Alien, Wes Penre either received information or for some reason believed the information in the book was fabricated. I have not read the book but have spoken to many who have read the book. They believe it is true. I would probably agree with you that like just about everything else on this sphere truth is mixed with disinformation.

Stephen, Yes excellent observation. This is a central point in Nigel Kerner’s book, Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls. You would enjoy the level of scientific/quantum detail he provides in explaining this - right down to the electromagnetic signature of our soul that defines an individual and how capture is enabled. Do non humans here on earth have a soul but without the level of emotions? I hope so as my dog is amazingly intelligent, perceptive, forgiving, compassionate, and unconditionally loving. Lives in the moment. Many qualities that we would like to have. I love her dearly. Love endures. You also support the argument that we need to be observers of ourselves and behavior. Simply see the “injustice” done to us but not react to it or feel a negative emotion from it. See it externally. There is no “food” if no anger, hate, or negative reaction. An astral travel or even earthly encounter with a dark entity safety guideline is just the same - love not fear. Embrace the “enemy” as in a sense it is you if indeed all is one. Maybe we are projecting it? Finally no one is saying the name of the captors or non human entities. Both in Interview with an Alien and Kerner’s book its made clear. Let’s further define the situation. This is the best forum I have encountered on this subject with like minded people. Appreciate the dialogue and sharing of a “crazy” subject without judgement. We all seek for ourselves and helping each other find as well. In the meantime am being more routine with my AM and PM meditation. Helps me to love & not negatively react.

Remember Courtney said the doors were not real. We may or may not see them. The light is a consistent theme and we must avoid it. Your numbers game and tagging souls is curious. How would that play out?

ive wondered that too. its possible that the popluation boom is coinciding with all of the souls through history are incarnating at the same time to participate in some unknown event. Another possiblity is the numbers are not acurate because of the illusion of time and space a single human soul can incarnate in multple physical bodies at the same time all belonging to a collective soul playing out several dramas simultaneously . or its possible that 7 billion is only a drop in the bucket and threre are trillions of human souls incarnating throughout the universe. im not saying this is one or the other but rather just ideas that surfaced while ponder the current over population of earth and how it relates to the reincarnation process

This is an interesting video / interview on the whole reincarnation thing by Clif High

He gets asked this question about the many souls incarnating here and his theory is that these are these are souls from "The War in Heaven" or other battles in around the solar system that are incarnating here? ..

Interesting interview - whilst it may not agree with the whole death trap idea.. still has some good theories...

Z,
Wow. This is a very interesting interview. Cliff High seems to have a vast knowledge of the esoteric. Thank you for sharing. So much information in this. I would like to comment but I will have to think about some of the theories he expands on.

If "all is an illusion..." as you are saying, then does it even make sense to worry about the death traps since they are illusions too?

You also say: "...we are all one." That's really true. And once a person truly gets that in every cell of his/her body, then an irreversible change takes place. The person will never cause harm to anyone or anything else because he/she will be hurting himself.

What is meant is that physical matter is an illusion. Everything that exists is frequency, super positions of frequency and wave packets of frequency as Courtney would say. We abide by the rules of physicality during our time of incarnation. After we die we are subject to the hierarchical laws of frequency life and are usually processed according to our frequency development and achievement unless we choose to do something else and can get away with doing so. Monroe says that God is many levels beyond where we can go and if we get too close we bliss out and forget to return. All is one when we rise to the point of losing our personality and merge with the God consciousness, being here is a long way from being there. Near death experiences seem to be useful in achieving the awareness you speak of but I do not recommend doing the Flatliner thing to get there.

I agree and understand Michael a Reid. However when you say “ After we die we are subject to the hierarchical laws of frequency life and are usually processed according to our frequency development and achievement unless we choose to do something else and can get away with doing so” that would not be true if the death trap exists. If our vibration has elevated how could it be simply irrelevant in that our soul is captured at whatever frequency maybe and sent back to a place that is lower?

In the Monroe and Moen books there are 27 levels, in the second death result in the "Death Traps" no one was sent anywhere. There were other souls that the soul knew in life and they were talking and relaxing. Level 27 is like the spa or resort level where you can relax and proceed at your own pace. There are things you can do to help or activities you can become involved in if you wish or do research. There is the past life review and higher entities may suggest a future life that may be beneficial but always with several optional lives as well. Or you can work at level 10 or be a spirit guide or do other spirit work. Sylvia Browne says her spirit guide only had one incarnation which was so traumatic that she decided not to come back as an incarnation. There are other considerations that need to be looked into as well such as the nature and limitations of our planet and Solar system which I lay out in the "opposing point of view" thread. It is not so much an opposing point of view as a "how do these facts fit in and modify the concept?" with two brilliant videos that everyone would benefit from watching. You can always go to the Monroe institute and with OBE training go exploring on your own, with enough effort everything can be validated or disproved.

Michael,

What of the notion or research that has it that the levels you talk about are still within the matrix/patrix and thus under the control of the invader force that has us all enslaved in the first place? Apparently Enki, Marduk et al, have ascension levels set up for another way to trick "new agers" into staying here. Upon death the choices given are reincarnate or get a job, which is, become an ascended master, angel on and on and then move up his levels inside this same trap. Everything in this construct is made to be so complex which in and of itself is a way to trap souls, in my opinion. The third option is to just get out. Go up through the grid. Supposedly it is that simple, if you can leave your attachments and beliefs behind that is; so simple, the vast majority of human souls will never find this path. The thing is, if you have fear or haven't worked through the fact of leaving loved ones behind, then there is a great possibility you won't decide to leave at the last minute. For me, the fear of the machine kingdom and having my soul caught up in the cloud for ever makes going back for another reincarnation round a no go. That and knowing of the memory wipe, no way.

Monroe and Moen only speak of difficulty in the lower chaos layers with regard to being careful to avoid some areas and some creatures, kind of like shaman hallucinations. Once they got past level 10 they were able to go anywhere and meet ET's some of which had hive minds and wander as close to the God consciousness as they dared. The CIA has been sending people through the Monroe Institute since the '60's and openly speak of it in the Monroe books. Look at my post and videos in the "opposing views" thread and you will learn that at best this is a limited space prison which it has been here in this cycle up until a hundred and fifty years ago or so. The largest barriers to freedom of movement in the afterlife seem to be baser forms of behavior and strong beliefs. A chill attitude will get you far enough out (level 27) so that you can go anywhere from there.

Dr Bowman that was a very thoughtful reply and much I could agree with. However it is a message of hopelessness. Maybe many in the human race would resign themselves to such despair. I can understand doing so if what you say is true. However many will not. Maybe these test tube DNA designs of us has created a body and mind that with our soul can do more than we or the reptilians can imagine or possess. Even before this remote viewing video I found negativity in our history and condition in Interview with an Alien. It became depressing after coincidentally reading Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls. However even the author of that book, Nigel Kerner, sees great hope in our spirit, human creativity, and imagination. It gives me far more hope than I believe you see.

That sounds like an opposing view. You should go to the opposing view thread and see my post there which has a couple of really cool videos and brings up some other issues as well. I like your reply and I think it works really well with my other post. All of this is bigger and more complicated than we can comprehend from a cursory look.