So, to free ourselves, there seems to be two primary things to free ourselves from the recycle process:

1) Reverse Aging - Basically, being able to stay on this 3D plane with a youthful and viable body as long as we desire
2) Ascension without going through the 'death process'. - Basically, when people have decided to move from the confines of 3D density, we find a way to ascend into a 'light body', perhaps 4D or 5D.

I am not saying I have the answers to these things, but like any other problem to be solved, it's first a matter of defining the desired outcome. There is huge hope here because we have to remember that we now have a massively parallel communication system - the internet.

Unfortunately, the net is being used for stupid stuff like porn and celebrity gossip, but when the serious beings on the planet start seriously collaborating on addressing how to accomplish the 2 points above, we can make some huge process. My advise to anyone is to spend as much time as possible keeping your body youthful and healthy. The longer you can stay here and avoid death, the better your chances of being here when reverse aging and ascension technology becomes available. In the interim:

--Fast
--exercise
--MEDITATE (this is huge)
--Research ascension pathways (lots of stuff on this)
--If you are young, don't have children unless you want to bring in more slaves. It does not make sense to procreate until we can free ourselves
--Collaborate with people across many forums. Anti-aging is a huge topic today.
--Learn how to enhance mitochondrial function - this will greatly assist with reverse aging and anti-aging
--BE A MASTER - you may have to go to work everyday, but your only REAL goal is to get off this slave plantation. Anything else like marriage, children, careers, etc is just going to get you further mired into the slavery. Harsh but true.

Ok, how do you both prepare yourself for escape and execute it upon death? I have read Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls by Nigel Kerner. He suggests not going to the light but first centering yourself by looking within for strength and focus. You then look for “holes” in the energy grid and by intent launching yourself through it and off this world.

Very good advice Stephen. Yes meditation is huge. Do it more regularly now. With regard to aging try a supplement called astragalus. Supposedly it can stop and possibly lengthen the telomeres of your DNA. Been practicing self hypnosis to enable my dreams to become lucid most of the time. My next goal is routine astral travel for direct experience in preparation of death and develop a mindset for it. Only did it once for a short time before I got scared and re entered my body. Been advised not to be afraid but there are entities there I feared. Felt was not ready. In retrospect believe allowing fear was problem. Being fearless and loving of all you encounter has been said but difficult to do.

Still new to this forum. Just joined. Saw what appears to be your reply to me on email but don’t see the text here even after a refresh. Anyway who is “they” you refer to? You say “they” don’t have the strong human emotions so can not. I agree per many sources but their technology may.

They = 'non human life forms'

The video from Brett Stuart / TI / Moksha - reveals a bit.. somehow having your body placed at 45 degrees angle when you die??? - and some other races are there ready with a "rope" to pull you out? - We still need much more research on this. Personally I think this is the MOST important thing/knowledge we can know and should be a priority for anyone wishing to leave this prison to find out how.

Yeah now that you remind me, I do recall those details, which seem oddly specific yet vague at the same time. 45° with regard to what orientation? Also, why?

It's just regrettable those woo woo videos he was doing not only ended but were removed altogether.

I remember promise of a separate video by TI discussing the exact method(s) of avoiding the trap(s).

I think he meant the positioning of the body? If this truly is the case, then it would be very difficult to achieve unless one had a terminal condition and generally knew when they were about to physically die.

I think Brett got a lot of flack/negative feedback from his "Moksha" video (Dont quote me on this) - but he decided to do more self improvement stuff on his channel (which is also good)

But you're right. As we have some confirmation that this trap system maybe real, then the next logical step is to research all possible avenues of escape, as we have only ONE chance, right now :-). If we get caught up again.. how long before we stumble on this again???

I wonder if just being aware of this information and having it in your consciousness is enough to escape. As in, if I were to die right now being aware of this, I wonder if I could somehow navigate the afterlife transition and avoid the bright light.

when Ghandi was shot he immediately started a mantra entering into a transcendental state because he knew that your dying thoughts are extremaly important. in the death process as we heard in these RV sessions all of the subject seemed to be stuck reliving their death to one degree or another. this is part of the trap. dying with clarity is a rare an precious gift that can allow the soul to transcend to the highest levels. otherwise we get stuck if our minds are cluttered with caos and fear which unfortunately is how most people die.

After death we are confused and don't believe our situation...we look the same and live in the same space but we get no response from others even our family. Most are lost here with fear,terror and anger and along comes the guides that direct you to the light....if you go you are trapped but if you don't you can wander the astro world for along time(ghost). The only way out of this dilemma is to not to fear and ask to go to the creator.

this also should be done...before you die....forgiveness...anybody that has done you wrong, all your enemies all those you hate because of what they did (some people can't help being who they are) just send them love and forgive. Most importantly forgive yourself,,,,,no matter what you've done! Without love in your heart you will recycle here!

Lee, Reread Interview with an Alien that Courtney referred to as well. I’m not as dismissive of it now as I was when I read it. Believe you are correct on about being your own thoughts. When the alien described how the soul is captured he/she/Airl said they are detected after dying and ordered by hypnotic suggestion to return to the light. Once there you are zapped. What if through training of your subconscious by hypnosis you could reject an hypnotic suggestion that orders you to return to the light? Remember we must be willing not forced to do this even if “tricked.” This would require repeated self hypnosis sessions to reject such a suggestion and instead trigger your own to look for an opening in the grid to escape through by intention. According to Wes Penre you must ask permission of a council on Saturn (tough to believe) to continue your journey as a sovereign soul done with this solar systems experiences. He says they let you continue. So you are right, control you thoughts and control what happens to your being/soul. As one who has done self hypnosis and lucid dreaming you must learn to do this subconsciously. That takes practice & focus. However it makes sense that the decision/will remains with us. Our calm focused thoughts and intent not their hate, disorientation, confusion, and bait to a false happy escape. We remember what we are.

Larry R Hyde,

Where in Wes Penres research does he say this? Do you have a link? I have read his material and do not recall any of that. In fact, in his forums currently he simple states if you wish to leave this matrix then just do it. Look up for the grid and with intention nano travel through it. There are holes now, apparently from those of us waking up and our energy no longer holding it together in places. The only requirements I read were that you must have no fear and no attachments or beliefs that can be used against you to pull you back. So, yes, in some ways many are not ready, but to prepare you only need to have intention to leave deep inside your soul.

Julia,

When you write where does it say that in the Wes Penre Papers? Are you talking about when Ankraman says you need permission from the Council of Xander or Zendar or Saturn to leave our solar system? I am aware of other writings about this council but have not read this in Wes’ material. And I have read all of Wes’ material, watched all his videos including those not available to the public, also a Patreon, on the forum and Discourse Chat with he and Ariel. I talk to them by email some too. So I know them pretty well and I have never heard either Wes or Ariel ever say once we get outside the grid we have to stop at Saturn to get permission from the Council of Saturn to leave this construct. In fact Ariel told us she would be avoiding Saturn all together.

Hi Lori,

Yes, exactly. I have also read the papers, watched all his videos and read his forum as well, though I am not a patreon member so haven't had access to what you have. His information feels totally correct for me and I had never heard of this Council of Zendar and it rings of totally false information to me. I do not believe we need anyone's permission to escape this construct nor do we need helpers, in fact as Wes Penre suggests, that help will get you whisked right back to the trap. Humans, unfortunately, have a deep seated savior complex which for many has them hoping for a President, a benevolent alien species or ascended masters in the astral to guide up and away to freedom. Thank you for commenting!

Also Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls by Nigel Kerner

Thank you.. I'll look and purchase to read.

Is this similar to Gregg Bradens works on mind/heart coherent meditation?

Yes he learned it from them, and works with them.

Lori you sound as if there is no hope. Believe anti aging was suggested more to give us more time to prepare in a many ways. Some are fundamentally sound like meditation. I use TM. That can help us do what you suggest such as control and release of our emotions and attachments. I will read the Wes Penre book. Checkout Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls by Nigel Kerner. Don’t think anyone has all the answers but we use what we feeel is right. Nigel goes into the quantum physics of it all with both our souls and the grid. Almost seems as we possibly could disrupt the grid here

Lori,

I totally agree with your post. I also don't see this as no hope. We humans who are now aware of this have a chance to escape the grid and this enslavement. This is an amazing thing and an amazing change happening right now for our human soul group. Sure, not everyone will make it for many reasons but I bet there have not been many that have been able to escape in hundreds of years if not longer. This is something thrilling.

Hi Larry,
Sorry if my comment was misunderstood. I think there are many natural therapies including vitamins, herbs, meditation the list is vast that are excellent. The benefits to all of this does includes anti-aging and in that context I am not against this. I was speaking more to the AI component and the merging of technology with the human mind.

Julia, the hypnotic command issued to the soul comes from the captors per Interview with an Alien. You should read it. Permission to continue on journey from the Council of Zendar on Saturn is from Penre’s YouTube video on After Life escape. My other comments on based on my experience with hypnosis and my subconscious. Don’t think one person had all the answers. Believe we all have much to learn

Hi Larry,

Wes Penre has removed his videos from Youtube. He has his own video site now. I can't find the video you mention so if you have a link or exact title to look for that would be great. I do know that Wes Penre warns that any "council" if part of the Sirians and hence our controllers and not to be trusted so maybe he was explaining about another trap. His research covers so many other researchers and he puts it all out there, then at the end gives his analysis where often he disagrees with something and he says why. "Council of Zendar" sounds like just the sort of fakery he would warn about. Yes, we all have a lot to learn and no one knows the exact truth no matter how hard we research. We probably never will but we can trust our inner knowing to get the right answers for us, which may differ from others and thats ok :o) THanks!

In that way we aren't different then the ones creating the trap. A small change of no longer eating intelligent animals can help the world just a little. I switched to vegetarianism because of my daughter about a year ago and months later out came the impossible burger, beyond meat... now its sold in grocerry stores. Carl's Jr promotes it...Burger king promotes it. Dunkin donuts nationwide role out of protein based sausages.

A small change you make in your life changes your reality that you are in.

Plants are intelligent to.

His guru was Swami Vivekananda

Based on what a Courtney said it didn’t matter what you were in life or level on enlightenment. The trap and controllers don’t care and you will be recycled, right?

Jean-Claude,
It’s interesting that what you said enabled the earthly escape by the subject were his heart centered qualities of compassion, honesty, forgiveness, and concern for others first…As opposed to hate and other negative emotions. In a simplistic way this sounds like judgement in Christianity. If we are “good” (qualities you describe) we go to heaven. If not we go to hell (earthly prison). A twist here is that we appear to already be in hell and judgement rendered by the resident warden, Satan. Weird

Larry, about your first comment:

"Based on what a Courtney said it didn’t matter what you were in life or level on enlightenment. The trap and controllers don’t care and you will be recycled, right?"

I have to confess that I don't remember exactly what Courtney said. It was a long day at work and I was completely exhausted when I watched the video. And it was late at night. In fact, I intended to watch 15 to 20 min, then go to bed. But, I could not stop watching... I am well rested now, so I will go over the video again today.

Going back to what Courtney, well I'm not sure that the recycling of souls is an automatic process. I think that the trap is there but I am not sure that every soul that crosses over is automatically taken to the trap.

My understanding of this video suggests that through our lives' actions and activities, we set the conditions that allow the trap to either be present or absent when we die. In so many words, we are solely and fully responsible for what happen to us after death.

I'm saying that because, in the video, I don't think that the soldier who escaped the matrix interacted with the trap at all. He did not need any bandage (beautiful images/sensations of the trap) to alleviate his pain or anger during his transition because he was not under overwhelming pain or anger. As I recall, during his transition, he was fairly calm, collected and well aware, and he accepted his situation.

My point is that the trap is a bandage that is presented to those souls who crossover under extreme duress. And our actions and activities when we are alive determine whether or not we are going to be presented with this bandage (the trap) to alleviate our anger, pain and suffering during our transition.

In so many words, we are the master of our destiny, and how we live and do in 3D determine our life on the other side.

Yeah I need to watch the video again as well. My information is not just from the video but also the first book I read about this and what Courtney refers to in the video - Interview with an Alien. There the trap is a device created years ago by an alien race that was defeated but the device still works. In the book Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls it is described the same way but with much more scientific detail on our soul and the grid around the earth. It is disturbing that 2 books I have read and dismissed the ideas were later corroborated by Courtney’s remote viewers that I have great respect for. I urge you to read both these books. Per others I plan to read Wes Penre’s book too.

Larry,

Thank you for showing me that a link exists between the path of man salvation as formulated by the WingMakers and the one advocated by traditional Christianity.

I have to confess that although I was raised christian, I left the church many, many years ago. So I did not see the connection that you are mentioning.

And you are right, there is indeed a connection between the WingMaker's salvation path not only with Christianity but also with all other religions.

I also agree with you that life is difficult, challenging and very complex on Earth. However, I struggle with the notion that satan is responsible for all our pain and suffering. By pointing the finger at satan, we are surrounding our sovereignty to him and become useless pion in the sea of creation.

Stephen, Yes excellent observation. This is a central point in Nigel Kerner’s book, Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls. You would enjoy the level of scientific/quantum detail he provides in explaining this - right down to the electromagnetic signature of our soul that defines an individual and how capture is enabled. Do non humans here on earth have a soul but without the level of emotions? I hope so as my dog is amazingly intelligent, perceptive, forgiving, compassionate, and unconditionally loving. Lives in the moment. Many qualities that we would like to have. I love her dearly. Love endures. You also support the argument that we need to be observers of ourselves and behavior. Simply see the “injustice” done to us but not react to it or feel a negative emotion from it. See it externally. There is no “food” if no anger, hate, or negative reaction. An astral travel or even earthly encounter with a dark entity safety guideline is just the same - love not fear. Embrace the “enemy” as in a sense it is you if indeed all is one. Maybe we are projecting it? Finally no one is saying the name of the captors or non human entities. Both in Interview with an Alien and Kerner’s book its made clear. Let’s further define the situation. This is the best forum I have encountered on this subject with like minded people. Appreciate the dialogue and sharing of a “crazy” subject without judgement. We all seek for ourselves and helping each other find as well. In the meantime am being more routine with my AM and PM meditation. Helps me to love & not negatively react.

Remember Courtney said the doors were not real. We may or may not see them. The light is a consistent theme and we must avoid it. Your numbers game and tagging souls is curious. How would that play out?

ive wondered that too. its possible that the popluation boom is coinciding with all of the souls through history are incarnating at the same time to participate in some unknown event. Another possiblity is the numbers are not acurate because of the illusion of time and space a single human soul can incarnate in multple physical bodies at the same time all belonging to a collective soul playing out several dramas simultaneously . or its possible that 7 billion is only a drop in the bucket and threre are trillions of human souls incarnating throughout the universe. im not saying this is one or the other but rather just ideas that surfaced while ponder the current over population of earth and how it relates to the reincarnation process

This is an interesting video / interview on the whole reincarnation thing by Clif High

He gets asked this question about the many souls incarnating here and his theory is that these are these are souls from "The War in Heaven" or other battles in around the solar system that are incarnating here? ..

Interesting interview - whilst it may not agree with the whole death trap idea.. still has some good theories...

Z,
Wow. This is a very interesting interview. Cliff High seems to have a vast knowledge of the esoteric. Thank you for sharing. So much information in this. I would like to comment but I will have to think about some of the theories he expands on.