I think your analogy with Lenin missed the main point of the revolution - people were starving and suffering, while the elites were living the high life and stepping on the downtrodden.

so, yes, the elites were removed (aggressively so). That wasn't going to happen by just expecting the masses all fall into line at the same time to revolt - not without some form of leadership. And sure, that leadership did start to enjoy some of what the old elites had, and perhaps started to enjoy the high life too much. (and then came Stalin, who was never a true communist, but just knew where the winds were blowing).

so, consider where we are at now. Secret organisations keeping the ET phenomenon out of the public's eye, for their own selfish purposes. Elites living the high life while the masses are still starving and downtrodden (but with an illusion of freedom). Definitely involvement (knowledge) of nefarious goings-on.

When the masses rise up (ie, disclosure happens in full), what exactly do you think should happen to those who were in the know (about both ETs and nefarious downtroddening stuff)? And what's to replace it??

You have a presumption or two here. First, that "full disclosure" will occur. Second, implied immediacy of that disclosure. Third, that there will be a social upheaval on a revolutionary scale (although where exactly you do not say, presumably in the United States of America).

Such may happen or may not happen. I am not contesting with you that these are impossible. They are genuine possibilities.

HOWEVER... As to your direct questions, namely "what exactly do you think should happen to those who were in the know (about both ETs and nefarious downtroddening stuff)? And what's to replace it??"

First off, there are two kinds of "in the know", "those who have knowledge". The first is people who I think you were referring to, namely gatekeepers and those informed within the systems and establishments that maintain each other. The Ruling Elite, as it were.

You are implying that a successful revolution will somehow attain complete mastery of all such, and have them in custody under lock or key. That certainly didn't happen in Russia, where there were several years of civil war, ably fought on the Communist side by one Leon Trotsky. Stalin's rival was not well placed to take over when Lenin succumbed to a premature death. Yet without him the Bolsheviks would have lost their revolution, and presumably either had a restored monarchy, or more likely an elected head of State, be it a President or a Czar. (Czars can be elected, although most Russians today would think that impossible. There is historical precdent for it).

OK, so you have insiders who know what there is to know. And in my opinion, they know very, very little more than Joe Public.

Of cvourse, there are people who are friendly on the ET side who are NOT government, and they will have a great deal more knowledge than the government informed people.

N0w, what happens in a politiical turmoil is that people grab for power. The people with a background in political theory generally take a backseat (Lenin and Stalin), while the activist organizers like Trotsky go out and win the civil war. They than get backstabbed by the poltiical organizers.

Or at least, they may do. In terms of politics and power grabbing, those with knowledge of those processes have a greater advantage than those who do not.

So, such a "revolution" may fail to take any effect. And if it does, that is far from the end of the matter. A civil war is likely, and then a further civil war within the ranks of the Disclosure people.

Where we end up after that is unclear. Perhaps with again with a tiny minority who know very little, dominating the majority.

Or perhaps with a more enlightened form of government and policy making.

The outcome lies far more within the decisions of the few leaders and activists taking part than inm the vast majority of people doing the revolting. That much I am certain of.

"You have a presumption or two here."

Yes....

"First, that "full disclosure" will occur."

Yes. Without that presumption. we're left with the status quo in which not much really changes, and not that much of significance (other than, perhaps, a nuclear war ;p) Not having disclosure isn't likely to change much, so we have to have that presumption. (unless you can come up with a not-full-disclosure disclosure...

"Second, implied immediacy of that disclosure. "

Relatively immediate. I did put in time frames of up to a few decades - largely because if they are out there (or down here), I don't think it's going to be kept secret for that long. At the moment, we have 4K, 160fps IR cameras that are giving us.... blurry lights. When we have even better filming technology, that's going to change things quite a bit! And that should be within the decade.

So, even if the congressional hearings lead to not much, it's not going to go away (unless the ETs also go away).

" Third, that there will be a social upheaval on a revolutionary scale (although where exactly you do not say, presumably in the United States of America)."

Ok, this isn't actually a presumption - and I didn't actually state it like one. I am supposing that it may be a possibility, and even that it may be necessary in order to remove those who have deliberately kept us in the dark (and, by extension, feel that they can completely control us).

Do we think that Klaus Scwab knows what's going on with the ETs?? Has he personally met them (e.g. the reptilians? - the agendas seem pretty similar!) Certainly with the people he knows, it would be a bit naïve to think that he hasn't been kept in the loop (same with Gates).

So, my thought was more along the lines of what it would actually take to get humanity as a whole free - not so much a presumption that it would actually happen (I don't think humanity has that in them - look at all those gung-ho types in the states with all those guns, saying that if their democracy was every found to be rigged, they'd take up arms and attack the White House... yet, that's exactly what they were saying happened, and they did nothing!)

I don't disagree with the other stuff...

One thing not directly addressed - you're only referring to the US. What happens when disclosure happens elsewhere?? Gonna be real funny when the French, South Africans or Brazilians come out and say publicly that they've got ETs living amongst them - and have for years (decades). Going to make the US look pretty incompetent if they keep hiding it.

One thing that is slowing down disclosure in the US is the stigma attached, and the power of the DOD. Other countries don't have that. As the congressional hearing ramps up, I can see the rest of the world starting to take note, and asking those questions of their governments.

Third, that there will be a social upheaval on a revolutionary scale (although where exactly you do not say, presumably in the United States of America).

While I agree with your general point, I do think the timing of this is relevant. From what I hear, the movie was basically shelved for a couple of years... why was that? And, more importantly, why bring it out now? is it merely coincidence?

We *do* need to remember that in order to get a film out there, there's a LOT of behind the scenes things that have to occur, and so we shouldn't be thinking in the contexts of right now, but we have to go back at least a couple of months. (but then, what might some people have known in advance?)

If only there was some sort of organisation (or website) which had a stack of people who could get into the minds of those who made the decision and find out what they were thinking....

It was shelved because it was powerful. It was released because they fought to release it to get the message out. The timing if anything may have been due to the free will ETs helping that along. We were told they do not hold places of power but that they do have influence in some places. This movie was not released by by Disney. It was done independently something that seems right up the alley of the free will ETs sphere of influence.

The timing is right. Its coming out when disclosure if happening. I mean you read any headlines lately? They have already disclosed without using the words. I mean people want saucers on white house lawns and a primetime presidential address with Harvey standing next to the president? That's not happening......

I think you are trying to divine too much out of something much more simple. Its just another path being paved for more people to find their way out of the prison. It is shocking and it does really change your entire view of society, but that is what is required for some people because how deep they are asleep.

We can only hope that more people begin to ask more questions. Which reminds me of a Thomas Jefferson quote

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."

If you can question the existence of god (much easier for us here) then anything is questionable. That is all that is required because you will eventually find your way.

Edit : Grammar

If you think of it as a journey us filming the UAPs is further along then those just learning about child trafficking. You cannot pluck someone out of their cozy life and show them UAPs. It will never sink in. They all need to find the right answers on their own. And they are just now being woken up. They will get to where we are eventually we just have to keep doing what we are doing. Documenting everything this way there is something for them to learn when they get to where we are.

Think of it as leaving breadcrumbs along the journey for all to follow, But just think of what lies ahead. And what breadcrumbs have been left for us?

"You cannot pluck someone out of their cozy life and show them UAPs. It will never sink in. They all need to find the right answers on their own"

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.

You are referring only to a timed, controlled demolition by some members of governmental agencies.

That's completely different to having a 'disclosure' in which we, say, get invaded by ETs.

So, what I'm saying is that this doesn't have anything to do with how 'ready' the population is to deal with it., just the same as most populations aren't really ready to deal with a war, or a terrorist attack - or even a murder.

Death traps and higher consciousness and all that - sure, that fits the bill. But if some Pleiadeans decide to show up on their doorstep with a city-sized ship, their level of awokenness will be completely irrelevant.