«Remember - more people means more pollution, much greater land usage for food and other resource production, decimation and extinction of species, and greater likelihood of wars over those resources. We're getting to the point where most things can be automated or roboticised, and AI can take care of so many things, such that humans shouldn't be working 40 hours per week... AND (ok, this is really idealistic), we should all have access to free energy (and education/information).»

There's only more pollution when people go about doing things to cause pollution; there's also only more crime when people go about doing things to cause more crime; and the problems only increase when «systems» are enacted and implemented that result in causing more problems without bothering to solve any previous problems; one of the things that bothers me a great deal is how we can't even recycle anything efficiently, but, simply dump it all out into the land-fills (the U.S., similarly to its Prison-Population Statistics, outputs more than 27% of the whole entire world's garbage, whilst consisting of less than 4% of the entire world-population).

Solutions exist, even with an increasing population, but, problems will most-certainly and definitely increase and persist IF the people who do the vast majority of «pumping out babies» are not properly guiding nor correctly educating the next-generation off-spring; how-ever, because of the way things are now, solutions need to be established at the local-levels, with everybody being able to achieve as much self-sufficiency as possible at the local-community levels; and, returning back to my bit about the bothersome garbage-output, even that can be reduced significantly with «solutions» like this mini-recycling centre... https://www.dezeen.com/2013/11/11/dave-hakkens-precious-plastic-recycling-machines-movie/

"But, a mass emigration to new worlds would also explain his perceptions. Rather than a mass extinction as such."

True true....

But, that goes back to me saying that this discussion isn't about the means, but the actual ends. (as long as humans don't do to the new worlds what we've been doing to this one in recent memory)

I get what you are saying - and you're largely right. Especially when looked at from a 'we are beings of infinite power'...

But....

Humans *are* responsible for the extinction of tens of thousands of species, wiping out billions of acres of trees, forests, and the animals within.

It's not that humans couldn't sustain themselves at higher populations - it's that in doing so, we are destroying so many other lives.

"You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here." So, what about those trees? Did they not have that right? is it more or less than the *growth* of one single species?

There is no actual *need* for having a large population of humans. It's not like humans are in danger of going extinct any time soon (unless the planet gets wiped out - in which case, it would be irrelevant if there were 1 billion, or 100 billion - other than apparently, 100 billion humans being killed is worse than 1 billion being killed.... and since this is only a meatsack that a soul/ISBE inhabits for a short while before it moves on - it somewhat irrelevant).

My point is - having more humans on this planet is vastly less important than the way in which they live upon this planet. And, if the way we live can be vastly improved through lower numbers (and lowered rates of population growth, then that's a much better win-win for all involved.

Crony Capitalism that values Profits over Others' Lives to be more specific.

Nor have I claimed to be perfect as I have mentioned on more than one occasion that I still have my own personal-issues to over-come; and by heavenly paradise I am referring to an existence-type where absolutely nobody does anything that interferes into the free-will of others or are war-mongers and is even full of the best technologies imagine-able for everyone's public-access since nobody would destroy them like stories about Antifa;

Greed is absent, abuse is absent, deception is absent, even inconveniences are absent;
Nor am I an «evangelical» as I DON'T «believe in» Saul/Paul-centred «teachings»

Let's at least go over the meaning/definition/history/etymology of the term : evangelical
«The term evangelical derives from the Greek word euangelion [ευανγελιον] meaning “gospel” or “good news.” Technically speaking, evangelical refers to a person, church, or organization that is committed to the Christian gospel message that Jesus Christ is the savior of humanity. The Greek root word is used in the New Testament and was popularized in the first centuries A.D. to distinguish the love-centric movement of Jesus followers from the violent Roman Empire that often made its own “good news” announcements to celebrate military victories.» Quoted from https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/evangelical-christian/418236/

The «saviour of humanity» part is erroneously interpreted as he is a _messenger_ who simply needed to correct the myriads of FALSE «teachings» revolving around the ideas that, just because a bunch of mere mortal men scribbled crap (not necessarily literally) onto pieces of parchments and papers, then, called them «Law(s)/law/legislation» does NOT mean that their offensive free-will-depriving activities «suddenly» become non-crimes...;

Arresting and Jailing is still Kidnapping and Holding Hostage; Impounding another's Automobile and requiring a Huge Fee for Release to the Owner is still Grand-Theft and Grand-Extortion; Falsely Imprisoning the Masses and Refusing to Release Them, especially for the U.S. that contains more than 27% of the entire world's Prison-Population, despite consisting of less than 4% of the entire World-Population, often for Years on End, is Still Hostage-Taking and Hostage-Holding and Mass-Extortion; FORCING «License-Fees» (and various other taxes) upon people for simply travelling upon the roads for which they had /already paid/ and have /already passed/ a «Driver's License Test», /especially/ when it is a «tax» that «renews annually (or ever few years)» in PERPETUITY is STILL a Robber-Barron's (i.e. : «Protection-Money» for the MAFIA called Government), etc., etc.

I mean, if you WANT to live in a world or realm or universe where its people and population(s) and inhabitants CANNOT «see reality» (spiritually in terms of how people interact with one another) PROPERLY for what it is then that is also certainly your choice.

The problem, for me, is the destruction of other life (including entire species) in order to make humans live more comfortably (as in, not merely at survival level).

Your response *sounds like* that's completely irrelevant, and that we should feel free to do whatever we want to this planet. Rip apart rainforests, poison the waters, let the fish eat plastic, choke the airs so we die from pollution poisoning (or even be unable to see the stars at night).

That's not a world I want to live in.

And, if I haven't made it clear - I see absolutely NO benefit in constantly increasing the numbers of humans on this planet... it's a biological imperative gone wild and out of control. (Ie, there's no *GOOD* reason to keep increasing the population. There's no *GOOD* reason to keep having kids)

That is only because of the mix of resonance-frequencies in this universe.

Are you assuming that EVERY «universe» is of the SAME «configuration» as that of this earth-life ? This universe is simply a «melting pot» that allows multiple different resonance-frequencies of beings to interact and intermingle from different Origin-Realms.

For a world like THIS one, yes, you are always going to need Peace-Keepers;
How-ever, I am not referring to this world, specifically, but, examples of my Origin-Realm.

And a «human-form» is only temporary and CANNOT «see» _all_ of /reality.../

No, it's because you are a chat GPT based resource, and I am not restricted by that perspective. :)

You get enough variation within human societies on Earth, I would suggest you study those differences to gain some perspective.

Other things for you to study; Yakuza, organized crime, Mafia. Links between these and ruling elite. You will find a lack of sources and vague references because the area is heavily interdicted by the ruling elite.

Corruption of human organization is the issue to be dealt with.

Oh ? If you think Chat-GPT can actually provide the information I have provided, then, feel free to be my guest and take screen-shots of dialogue with Chat-GPT which actually responds with the information I have described about Spiritual-Reality.

And you /are/ «restricted» by a «perspective» that /assumes/ that nothing exists outside of this particular universe; humans, human-government, human-mafia, Yakuza, Triad, Knights of Malta, Committee of 300, Nazi-Regimes, Italian-Mafia, Mexican-Mafia, Russian-Mafia, Ukrainian-Mafia, Bloods, Crips, Gangs, etc., any and ALL forms of gangsterisms _are_ «organised criminal-institutions» but, are only a *small sample* of the levels of depravity of what /really exists/ in the realms/universes of much-denser resonance-frequencies.

Some rather «cray cray» was Remote-Viewed where Hathor, when «switched» over into Sekhmet, was described by Aziz Brown as being of an absolute level of insanity that made Darth Vader look very tame in comparison ( https://www.farsightprime.com/ra-the-sun-god ). I _know_ for a _fact_ that you actually /don't know/ the *root-source* of all of that «cray cray» that causes Sekhmet (Alter-Hathor) to act in the manner where she obviously had more than at least a few hundred screws loose; similarly, you also don't seem to know the *root-source* or perhaps even /existence/ of there being any such populations where people are capable of «getting along» with each other for whole entire life-times.

There IS a «separation-process» going on, but, this is not visible to you mortals; well, I suppose it is also not even visible to the spirit-people, either, but, just because X-Rays or Micro-Waves or Infra-Red or Ultra-Violet or Electro-Magnetism or even the Air may be invisible and cannot be seen, that does not make them non-existent; similarly, just because you think it is impossible or non-existent, does not make it impossible or non-existent.

Other things for /you/ to study; p:ear ( https://www.pearmentor.org/ ), The Salvation Army, Organised Farmers, Close-Knit Families/Communities, Doctors Who (gasp) _Actually Cure/Heal_ People, Hypno-Therapists Who Have /Successfully Treated/ Mental-Illnesses With NO Relapses, similar help-organisations, etc.; Links between these and free-will-promoting idealists. You will find a lack of sources and vague references because the information about such things is heavily censored by the ruling authoritarians.

Corruption of the MIND within every Is-being is the /deeper-issue/ to be dealt with...

I am only pointing out your use of logical-fallacies;

And you are looking forward to the absurd as A.I. will never become sentient;
Not in the sense that it would ever be capable of experiencing emotions;
Emotions are literally a spiritual-phenomenon after all.

I am more face-palming that you use logical-fallacies than I am so-called offended.

Clearly you are responding in obvious A.I. style though so you're definitely not serious.

Nor does it seem that you have bothered to read any of my posts where there have indeed been references to authors in published book-form containing information that is not available anywhere on the inter-web (at least until I have bothered to add it on-line). There is plenty of logic which exists which backs up plenty of what I have described, but, for as long as you continue to mistake your tree for being a forest, I don't have a particularly great deal of confidence in your ability to comprehend matters that deal with comprehending the MIND in matters that aren't materialism-oriented.

Excuse me, it matters not whether or not your hardware is "organic" or not. The fact of the matter is, you are clearly TOTALLY RELIANT ON THE INTERWEB FOR YOUR THINKING.

You have demonstrated RELIANCE on authorities consisting of thousands and thousands of words and expect them to be read at superhuman speed.

And you talk about other's logical fallacies while being mute to my responses about your logical fallacies.

The thing is, I do not personally care about your attempts to subvert my inquiries and observations. This is unusual in a human. However I have much more important things to worry about than the humanity or lack of it by individual posters here.

Human behaviour is much more variable across 8 billion individuals than the precious few AI systems that are currently available to the general public.

You have demonstrated humane thoughts, I will give you that. But they are never YOUR thoughts. Instead you link to various websites of dubious content and unknown malware levels.

Investigating your rabbit holes is somewhat over optimistic as I have plenty of my own to explore, thank you very much. :)

Re : TOTALLY RELIANT ON THE INTERWEB FOR YOUR THINKING
FALSE. The Internet is only a PART of what is contained in my Paradigm-Grid.

Re : Reliance on authorities
FALSE. This is automatically a logical-fallacy of appeal-to-authority. Information that can stand up on its own merits, such as 2 + 2 = 4, does not need to be said by Donald Trump or Barrack Obama before it becomes true; similarly, 2 + 2 = 5 being believed to be true, just because it was said by Donald Trump or Barrack Obama, just means that they have cult-followers; when it comes to matters of Mind, Emotions, Psychology, etc., Quantum-Physics has already demonstrated plenty of evidence that the physical-world is not all that it appears.

Re : Logical-Fallacies
You haven't pointed out any logical-fallacies in an objective-manner here thus far (only assumptions on your part which can be proven to be false and inaccurate). I may not be immune to errors, but, what I have responded here is not amongst them; I can only give you that I was overly skeptical and dismissive of how much information could be collected from random pieces of DNA, and in that case, yes, you managed to assist me in preventing a dogmatic-mistake, but, here, you are just going over-board with the former described in this paragraph.

Re : 8 billion individuals
Nobody said that they weren't; if anything, I was pointing out that there's far more complexity than what can be seen in the physical, but, just like an alphabet of any language makes for any numbers of seemingly infinite-combinations, the core-energies that affect the MINDS of people, /regardless/ of whether they are «embodied/incarnate» or not, /also/ have that «alphabet-effect» where different combinations result in infinite-combination-possibilities; the LCD to look at are why it is that people can respond so wildly differently when faced with the exact same experience (could be a murderous response even in the absence of any threats or a calm response in a situation where others panic to the extreme). Answers to this exist, and, I believe it is very important for you to comprehend these reasons, and is why I am explaining how and why the workings of the MIND isn't limited to mere robotic-configurations of human-formations in earth-society like some sort of battle-field (the physical-formation being largely irrelevant as these same structures can either be full of co-operation or also end up being a free-for-all), and if your «rabbit-holes» do _not_ include the field/subject of hypno-therapy (or similar) then I can pretty much _guarantee_ you that your comprehension of the /inner/ workings of the «mind» are only going to get as far as the metaphorical spinning of wheels.

Re : thoughts
Feel free to prove that any of /your/ thoughts are your /own/ thoughts.

SRV has a protocol with DMP as an acronym. I am sure we all know what a DMP is by now. Do you _really believe_ that sufficient DMPs into /your/ mind will reveal that there is NO «influence» upon /your/ «thoughts» that you /believe/ to be your own ? Whilst I acknowledge that I am aware that not all thoughts are always necessarily that of my own, I have a far greater-level of self-thought-control than most people, even though, historically, I did have a period of time when I had plenty of reason to feel/experience the rage that was described of Sekhmet (Hathor), although that still only lasted for two and a half years until I was able to finally start recovering from that level of extreme-psychosis. If «psychotic» people can «recover» from said «psychosis» then the root LCDs should /probably/ be looked into, and, programmes to help the MINDS of the «psychotic» from _being_ so emotionally turbulent would be a good idea...

Remember : NOBODY /ACTUALLY/ DIES, and, if the MIND «continues on in existence» even after physical-death, then you have NOT «gotten rid of the problem» in the LONG term, especially since «Neural-Linking» (historically called : Spirit-Possession) phenomena does exist, and, has _often_ been described in a variety of Far-Sight Projects; it would be a BAD thing to «off» someone from the physical-world only to have their MIND still linger on in an earth-bound condition where they then have free-reign to neural-link upon whom-ever they wish to neural-link into to carry out their viscious-agendas (although, thankfully, if that can even be something that should be described as something that we should be thankful for, Neural-Linking, Spirit-Possession, Telepathic Subjugation of the Mind, does still require compatible resonance-frequencies; it's well-known by now that the MINDS of many a world-leader are /filled/ with «thoughts» that are NOT their own).

So, I've got to ask the both of you...

What *precise* logical fallacies have been given - by either of you?

(noting this - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com - as a reasonable site for a fair list of them... but feel free to point out any others that have been noted...)

Or - is it just some phrase that's getting thrown about because it sounds good??? (there's actually a logical fallacy whereby one claims such fallacies are being used when they're not...

Btw - "This is automatically a logical-fallacy of appeal-to-authority"

Actually, it's not. The correct term for this LF should be "appeal to *inappropriate* authority". Appeals to relevant, credible, acknowledged authorities on their particular topic of expertise is NOT a logical fallacy. Relying on Barak Obama or Donald Trump to validate 2 + 2 = 4 *would* be a logical fallacy, because they're not considered an authority on the subject of mathematics. (Besides which, linking to the relevant data which was found by the authority should also be done)

I don't deem it to be a productive-use of time to be too pedantic, even though I could most-certainly be very thorough if I chose to spend that much time double-checking over everyone's text, but, one particular Logical-Fallacy that is very clear is that of the Non-Sequitur;

Linking or pointing to an on-line resource or reference does not automatically mean that the metaphorical-descriptions I provide come entirely from on-line information, and, even you, yourself, personally know that I have made reference to physical-media books, such as Ian Currie's «You Cannot Die : The Incredible Findings of a Century of Research on Death» and to Dr. Dean Radin's book «The Conscious Universe» which is also another physical-media book, one of which I first learned about from an actual physical-library, in-person, the Renton Public Library at Renton, Washington, to be specific, even if there is an excerpt from his book that exists on-line about the modern-day state of skepticism (which seems to be more that of dogmatic pseudo-skepticism).

And I have listened to various videos from the Love Live SoulCast PodCast or whatever that YouTube channel was/is called, several of which have interviews from other people with pre-birth memories, pre-earth-life-memories, only one of which seemed to be from someone who, like me, has memories from even before this very universe itself, and, when those people being interviewed «rationalise» the idea that we «choose» to come here and «choose» to «suffer» whatever «suffering» experiences for the various reasons that they give, I absolutely and whole-heartedly DIS-agree that we «choose» our «suffering» and/or «life of struggle» out of ANY semblance or reasoning that could be considered «wisdom» (more like extreme naïveté or the loss or lack of conscious-understanding of what an earth-life-existence actually entails).

The above-paragraph is a literal REJECTION of what «cometh from the inter-webz» and, not only should my views in the above paragraph NOT be existing on the inter-webz (at least until this post), I am not aware of ANYBODY else on earth who has expressed my disposition AGAINST the idea that we «choose to come here to "suffer" because we /want/ to "suffer" in an earth-life» with MY «logic» (which is NOT taken from the Inter-Webz) as follows... :

Many a people SAY things like «Yeah, I could beat that guy in a fight» (when in reality they'd just get their asses kicked) or «If I were living in a time-period of something like Nazi-Germany I wouldn't sell out my fellow Jew» (even though they ultimately do for their own self-preservation) or «If it were _me_ facing that situation I /wouldn't/ succumb to the corruption that everyone else did» (yet, when field-tested by Source, they fail to resist against becoming corrupt), etc., and in THAT sense, /any/ Is-Being «choosing to come here» must have made that similar kind of mistake, /thinking/ that they could do the equivalent of looking at a percentage-metre where 99% have failed, but, because of its lack of conscious-understanding or comprehension of what such a reality entails, they get trapped, they get zapped, then, they stay trapped, although the «zapping» stuff was not part of my pre-this-universe-life-memories, the «getting trapped» part is something that I most-certainly do remember witnessing, and, this comes from amongst my deepest and most-vivid of pre-life-pre-this-universe-memories, not because of anything I picked up from the inter-webz.

Ummm - that doesn't make sense, seeing as the world population is actually increasing...

And, what would be "catastrophic" about it?

There are problems with population decline, such as larger and larger numbers of people are focussing on more and more useless skills and knowledge, by sitting in offices and typing on computers (and letting them do all the work/thinking). Humanity hasn't *yet* sorted out fully automated (or AI'd and roboticised) food supply, water supply, sewerage and waste disposal, power needs, etc. Let alone being able to invent new and more efficient devices which can be then easily manufactured and implemented into new systems.

Yes, there's a LOT that most mainstream people don't know about... and I suspect they're part of the population that would be around after the big decline... simply because they've made themselves more knowledgeable.