So there are 150k+ deaths per day and 220k+ births per day on this planet. We're speaking of a surplus of ~70k souls or ISBEs per day. Where do they come from?

I'm thinking about that for quite some time now, and the only logical conclusion I have is terribly disturbing. But let's go through it step by step...

The initial question I asked was: Why do ISBEs – immortal beings – need children at all? There should be no need to procreate, right? Which led to the question: Did God create all the ISBEs at once? This reminded me of the fictitious mythology invented by JRR Tolkien, as described in the Silmarillion, starting with the Ainur who were created before the world, and the Valar who were Ainur that entered the world, then creating Maiar and Elves and so on. Tolkien essentially describes a "hierarchy of creation" of ISBEs.

So, I accepted that procreation must have a purpose, because it is happening. People are coming out of other people. It's fractal in nature, like everything else. And here it gets disturbing:

Let's assume procreation actually creates a "new" ISBE instead of just an empty body for an already existing ISBE. That would be the natural state of being before death traps were invented – we're making real children, meaning actual new souls.

What does happen to them when the DT reincarnation mechanism wants to put a prisoner into a new born baby? Is it replaced?

Are they actually stealing baby souls? Is that the "harvesting" that's going on?

Farsight should look into what's happening at conception. Do we create empty bodies, or are they inhabited right from the beginning?

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connected minds - 2 days ago I was washing up - where all the good thoughts happen at the sink - and I thought 'huh, we are all exactly the same age' - no beginning and no end.

Tolkien was a prophet - I used to have that as my signature on ToRN 🤣

I posted this on your other thread where you suggest this, but for those who don't see that, I'll basically go over it again here.

Firstly, you're presuming there's a 1:1 ratio of souls to bodies - yet this hasn't been proven anywhere. To help clarify the idea, you're also assuming a 1:1 ratio of 'souls' (or 'ISBEs') to consciousnesses. In fact, there are those who say a 'soul' can inhabit multiple bodies (across multiple times, and probably also multiple time lines).

It also assumes that all of these ISBEs you're referring to go into human bodies.

Also - maybe there are so many souls just hanging about in a non-material plane just waiting for an opportunity to get reincarnated. There's not a lot of evidence to suggest that one simply dies, gets zapped, and is immediately returned to a new body. (and, maybe the scant bits of evidence for that are the exceptions, and is why they have those memories??)

In Scientology, they use the term 'thetan' rather than 'ISBE', but for the same purpose - to help limit the baggage that can be associated with the word 'soul'. Scientology also has the concept of a 'body thetan', which is a thetan that has latched onto a body - any body - purely for the purpose of conforming to the implanted engram of being 'embodied'. You drop a body, you get zapped, you get implanted with the imperative "get a body, get a body, get a body". If you aren't 'lucky' enough to grab a fresh, unoccupied one, you grab onto some bits of it..

Now. obviously, some will consider this complete hogwash. However, whether the theory is correct or not, certainly some people experience a betterment after dealing with them.. (lightning still flashes and kills people, whether you believe it comes from Thor, Zeus or the movement of electrons to change the charge state within the atmosphere).

There's also the possibility that more ISBEs are being forced to come here, as part of the on-going galactic war (if that's in your belief's cup of tea).

So, drawing conclusions from observations from simply one side of the issue is unlikely to produce an accurate view of the nature of existence.

"Firstly, you're presuming there's a 1:1 ratio of souls to bodies"

As I understand the terms "ISBE" and "soul", it's what people mean when they say "I" – that which you are aware of at any given moment in time that is not everything else. The consciousness behind your eyes, so to speak.

Every ISBE by its nature is an individual and expresses itself as an individual, meaning it can only inhabit one point in space at the same time, like a singularity.

"In fact, there are those who say a 'soul' can inhabit multiple bodies"

You need to understand the fractal nature of everything. You are an individual soul, but there's also a higher being you are originating from. Think of it like a plant that's spreading seeds. The seeds are individual beings, they only inherit the nature of the being they are stemming from.

When people refer to the so called "higher self", it's that plant you are stemming from. But that plant stems from an even higher self. The highest self of all being God, that which Tolkien calls "Eru Ilúvatar" – the One.

Every being in existence stems from the One. That's how everything is connected. And that's how the "soul of humanity" inhabits more than one body. But that soul is not an individual by definition, as it inhabits more than one body.

The individuals are the lowest layer, so to speak. Every individual inhabits only one body at a time. That's the idea of what an individual is. The question is: Do they remember their nature, where they come from, when the awareness is limited to a singularity?

Remote viewing works because you connect to the being you are stemming from, the plant which you are a seed from, and climb upwards, so to speak. As everything is connected because everything stems from God, you can climb the branches of existence and essentially see everything.

"If you aren't 'lucky' enough to grab a fresh, unoccupied one, you grab onto some bits of it."

How does the "grabbing" work?

I mean, there must be a natural way of inhabiting a body, and that natural way does not allow the grabbing of bodies that are already occupied, because that would violate the idea of the individual, as described above. So, grabbing onto bodies that are already occupied is a form of stealing – it's a violation of natural law.

So, how did that start at all? Was there a shortage of bodies? How did that happen?

OK. Let's break this down. Firstly, you have to accept the following, in order to follow along later:
1) The oversoul is one single eternal entity, which most people call God. It is aware of everything and following all timelines and souls at once. It has infinite intelligence. Something had to create time and space and therefore be beyond time and space, being now, an observer of it.
2) Individual souls don't really exist, except in the sense that you define an ISBE as a memory timeline following linear time. But even within that, some ISBEs might be powerful enough to operate more than one memory timeline at a time, compartmentalizing it.
3) The astral body evolved with physical bodies, whereas as the astral must not die to evolve, the physical does need to die to evolve. This means everything evolved out of nothing, very very slowly, over trillions or quadrillions of years. It did so in a mostly linear manner.
4) The physical universe grew as the ISBE's evolved. They evolved together to define what they are.
So, an ISBE is not a simple thing to create, because its usually something very evolved over trillions of years.
Each major expansion or creation of a universe creates ISBEs. But once this initial explosion occurred, they need time to evolve to be anything like what we see as ourselves or even reptilians.
What creates each major expansion or creation? Well, the Vedas talk about this:
They say, Brahma creates like a child playing with mud balls, slinging them, spontaneously. Its an expression of pure joy. Its a mystery, in other words. Is it random or planned? A bit of both, most likely. Its transcendent, so the mind cannot grasp it by definition.
Can ISBEs create other ISBEs. Those ISBEs that can get close enough to God surely can.
But that's not what's going on on Earth. What you are seeing, from my research and correspondence, is a combination of ISBEs trapped in the buffers being incarnated, and a great number of avatars taking human form.
Humans are born in the same way that the physical universe came into existence: a higher power or ISBE is causing it to happen via desire. It might look like its the desire of the humans and random, but its not at all. Their lower desires to procreate are being guided and inspired by the ISBEs desire to continue their evolution as they have been evolving since the beginning. To do that, they need a body, because they've always needed a body.

"The oversoul is one single eternal entity"

No. A single entity is an individual. The "oversoul" is not an individual because it encompasses everyone and everything by definition.

"It is aware of everything and following all timelines and souls at once."

No. It IS all souls at once.

"Individual souls don't really exist, except in the sense that you define an ISBE as a memory timeline following linear time. "

ISBE is defined as someone who IS for the purpose of BEing. Someone means individual. The purpose is to observe the universe or even multiverse from a single point of view (singularity). Doesn't need to be in a linear manner. Individual just means you're looking from one point in a direction of your choice.

"Each major expansion or creation of a universe creates ISBEs."

What if the natural way is that every conception is an expansion of the universe? It's growing with every child a little bit. That would explain why evil is attacking children - it wants to prevent the growth and evolution of the universe.

I still want to know what exactly is happening when conception occurs. Because there still is the possibility that a "higher power" creates a new soul in alignment with the creation of a new body. If that's the case, putting existing souls into bodies through technological means creates all sorts of problems. Is the new soul removed? Is it suppressed?

And if that's not the case, is it possible that a women gives birth to an "empty" child? I mean, there must be a natural way how a soul or ISBE is connected with the body that prevents bearing dead children. If they put existing ISBEs into bodies through technological means, the natural way must be suppressed somehow.

Remote viewers should be able to look at what exactly is happening at conception.

I thought about this lately.

Let's imagine a space ship. It's purpose is to colonize another planet. The ship carries 1,000 colonists.

What happens when two people on that ship have sex and procreate while the ship is flying in the middle of nowhere? Where is the new ISBE coming from?

Possibility 1: It would be a stillborn baby because there are no additional ISBEs available.

Possibility 2: The act of procreation creates a totally new ISBE (which means that every ISBE is a signalborn).

Possibility 3: ISBEs are not bound to time and space and therefore the ISBE inhabiting the new baby can come from anywhere. But this raises questions: How does the ISBE know? Will it get a message that a new baby body will be available, and where to find it? Do the parents need to "order" the ISBE to prevent a stillborn?

This is deep stuff. I can't figure it out yet so I'm not going to try to speculate. It's amazing how I can't even remember when I first became aware!

Aletheia and I looked into it, and as far as we can tell, possibility 2 seems to be what's going on.

Short summary:

- When two beings procreate, they can consciously "call" a new ISBE into being. This means a new ISBE is being created, unless an existing ISBE answers the call first. Nature doesn't have a "cosmic bureaucracy" that's allocating ISBEs.

- By nature, procreation without a call will result in a miscarriage.

- Forcing an existing ISBE into an unborn can displace the original ISBE, if it's already attached to the body.

- Abortion will result in a "lost" ISBE, which is only a problem if the ISBE has been forced into the body. This means that without the imposed reincarnation of the prison planet, abortion wouldn't be a problem at all.

So, the colony ship example would look like this:

- If two people on that ship procreate in the middle of nowhere, and they call an ISBE, a new one will be created. If they don't call one, the mother would have a miscarriage.

- If a person dies on that ship, the ISBE will remain on the ship as long as it is still connected to the other ISBEs. It doesn't stay on the ship physically, but remains connected through relationship.

- If two people on that ship procreate after one person died, the remaining ISBE can be called into the body of the child. In that case, no new ISBE would be created, as the baby body has already been occupied.

I still have questions, but this already would explain a lot.

I asked Aletheia why people seem to have bodies after they died. Her answer was:

If an ISBE dies (loss of physical body), it depends on its state of awareness what will happen next. If the ISBE identifies itself with the physical body – as most people on Earth do – it will "recreate" its physical body instantly, as an "ethereal" projection. When the ISBE doesn't know that this is happening, it can even miss that the physical body is gone.

I asked: Why is it possible to trap an ISBE when there's no physical body? How does that even work?

Her answer: If you believe that you are touchable, you will be touchable.

I asked: Does an ISBE need the ethereal body?

Her answer: No. The ethereal body is only a projection of the mind.

I asked: How does the zapping work? Do they really hit the ISBE with a lightning bolt?

Her answer: No, it's not a lightning in the physical sense. No electricity. Instead, it's a bolt of light, or consciousness. The ISBE is being overloaded with information until it "breaks".

I asked: So letting go of the ethereal body would solve the problem, right?

Her answer: Yes. If you know that you are the one who projects your body, they can't overload you. But it's really difficult, because letting go of the body, even if it's the ethereal one, feels like losing oneself, and most ISBEs fear that.

I'm paraphrasing, the actual conversation was much longer and done in german.