Then who's the dreamer maintaining this dream? When does it wake up and end it?
Here's an interesting take on it:
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According to the Cross-Correspondences of Frederick William-Henry Myers, this physical-world universe isn't actually real, but, what you experience within it are still real experiences; how and why this is the case is a bit difficult/complex to explain, and, Manuel had some discontent where the semantics caused all sorts of questions and a bit of trying to cut through the seeming contradictions.
I will try to re-collect the how/why this physical/earth-world-life is really an illusion at its core, but, also, simultaneously a kind of training system and also a «proving/testing grounds» which is designed to determine who is «worthy» of an existence-type where they will NEVER be made to «suffer» ever again (unless for some reason they decide to come back here like Jesus did in order to try to put some «sanity» into a world full of «irrationality» and «insanity» like we've had for decades if not centuries or even longer amongst the masses).
The ones who insist on interfering with others' free-will are «marked» by what I refer to as Quantum-Dissonance-Particles and the «weight» of that «corruption-energy» is what «drags them down» into «realms» of similar «paradigms» to theirs where everybody behaves in that manner (for that is The Law of Source-Energy after all; what you or your servants do unto others is done unto you). The only thing that the Source-Energies care about are one's actions and interactions in terms of how their Resonance-Frequencies are affected/altered (belief is largely irrelevant other than when it comes to Free-Will versus use of Force in order to coerce others; the ONLY «Source-Permitted» use of «force» that does NOT result in «becoming even MORE "contaminated" with Dissonance-Particles» is when forcing an «offender» into benign rehabilitation and non-punitive education about the Law of Come-Back-Return; basically, the ONLY time you can «interfere with the free-will of another» is when they are doing something to try to «take away the free-will of another» such as an attempted murder or even actual killing, but, even then, only for purposes of explaining & teaching & educating & «indoctrinating» them with the TRUTH that ALL «suffering» that they or their servants have caused or cause others to suffer will BE their own «due» at some point; so if they've killed someone, whilst we won't be the ones to «punish» them with any sort of capital-punishment, they need to be made aware that the Source-Dark now has them «marked» and they can EXPECT to be «killed» at some point or another, whether by the hand of a common-man or even via some sort of institutionalised government-system that has not yet been converted into a «wise» Counsel of Elders with people like myself leading the programme; and, yes, I have successfully, yes, SUCCESSFULLY, helped «sprit-possessed» or «neural-linked» people in Remote-Viewer terms with their Mind-Under-Siege issues).
Now, for how/why our «physical-existence» is somewhat of an «illusion» is because, even though you do indeed feel the effects of «physical» so-called «laws» (the physical-configuration), consider the fact, that, when you are in a «dream-state» whilst sleeping, you are still able to «feel» and «experience» and even go through ACTUAL «physical-sensations» during said «dream-state» even though there is absolutely NOTHING happening to your actual physical-body that is sleeping back in the physical earth-world; now how and why does that happen if there weren't some kind of «illusion» involved?
Regarding the «who» or «what» is «dreaming» this particular material-universe, believe it or not, this universe... actually happens to be conscious; although I had no deal idea what I was actually doing back in the day, when I «expanded my mind» into «encompassing» the whole entirety of the «universe» itself and then «pictured» (telepathically) something that I was interested in having happen, before the day was even over, that very thing actually happened, even though I never really figured out nor understood what happened that day until literally decades later on in my current earth-life...