@Darren:
"Next time you go out to relax...or enjoy a show...how bout I come by and discuss things weather you WANT TO OR NOT."
If you're being abused and nobody helps you, this is EXACTLY what you should do.
"How about instead of filling our entertainment or other venues where the real world should not be, we fill those places with real working nuclear families and what that should look like and go BACK to making ROLE MODELS for our young folk"
That's not a solution because of how human psychology works. If you see the perfect world on TV – like the shows from the 80's and 90's we learned to love, humans begin to think that reality is the same. Because humans believe that fiction is reflecting reality. They don't understand their own psyche, and how the stories on TV are processed emotionally.
The problem is: Seeing the perfect world on TV makes you dissociate from what is happening in reality. A good example are parents yelling at or even hitting their children, and then watching the Bill Cosby Show and aggreeing with how the Huxtables peacefully parent their children. The real parents don't even recognize reality anymore. Instead, they integrate the fictional parents emotionally because of the dissociating effect of the real life trauma.
If you didn't understand what I just explained, think of TV as a drug. You have a bad experience in real life, but then watching perfect fictional characters on TV makes you emotionally forget the trauma. It works like a narcotic that's numbing you.
So, the actual solution is to not hide the dark stuff. Remove the narcotic.
"and not NORMALIZING ABUSE?"
The woke shows don't normalize abuse. This is where the evil manipulation steps in. The evil bastards don't normalize abuse, they use it to normalize a wrong solution for abuse in a way such that abuse will go on. So, you are right, what they show us is not the correct solution. But what you think the solution is, which is the other side of the extreme, isn't the solution either.
"do you LOVE TO DWELL on the dark side?"
I don't dwell on the dark side. I'm looking at the dark side in order to understand it, so that I can change things in reality. This is the actual solution, and there is also fiction out there that perfectly manages to do that.
A good example is the show Shrinking, which presents us role models who aren't perfect at all (because nobody is). Yes, there's also a gay couple in there, and their narcissism is blatantly obvious. But that's the point. They don't show us these characters as role models that tell us how to be. They show them to make clear what it means to be like that. Being gay is not the problem. The narcissism is.
For example, in the second and third season of Shrinking, the gay couple wants to adopt a child. It becomes obvious that they will be horrible parents – not because they are gay, but because of their narcissistic life style. The couple then gets to know the biological mother of the child they want to adopt, and start to develop a friendship with her. It's a psychological study of what family actually means, and the show depicts it perfectly. Because it's not an absolute – it's a journey.
"you a few months back called out a certain person for making certain claims. I wonder did you ever consider maybe those claims might be valid..."
Calling out claims is not the same as name-calling. Calling out claims is a legitimate way in debate in order to investigate whether the claims are true or false. Because claims are not valid, or true, just because they are spoken. If this was the case, there would be no liars – everything everybody says would have to be accepted as truth. That's not how it works.
"or even take into account that if their not being a dick they way you were could cause them mental harm?"
What mental harm are you talking about? If debate leads to the recognition that a claim is false, how does this harm you? Your argument makes sense only one way: You need the false claim to distract yourself from the truth. And you need others to believe the false claim as well, so nobody confronts you with it. Calling out the false claims then would be like taking away the drug you need to feel better. Without that drug, you start to feel reality again, and reality hurts.
But let me tell you this: Only the truth can heal you eventually. If you need more time narcotized in illusions, you can do that. But you can't do that AND debate on the internet. Stay away from the debates if you need more time.
"I might not agree with his claims but I'm not going to put him down for it either."
I didn't put him down, I prevented him spreading his illusions to other people. Because if he needs to spread his illusions, he's the one who is harmful to others. Which btw is the same argument you use against the woke people. They also spread their illusions, because they want everybody narcotized like they are. It's harmful. So, what I did to the person back then was in principle the same you do when arguing against woke people. We are trying to prevent the spreading of false claims.
"In a public forum you told the world I'm an abuser of children because I disagree with you."
No, that's not at all the case. My argument is that you don't want to look at child abuse. This doesn't make you the abuser, it makes you the person who is not helping when asked for help. I don't even say that you are wrong. I just say that that's how it is. You are not helping, because you look the other way. To me, this simply means that you are unable to help.
"Wonder how much that's worth in court? You need to stop being a dick or I will ask Farsight to step in."
You are not the first person who threatens me with legal consequences for making the ugly truth visible, and you will not be the last one. It's the purpose of the courts to shut down people who bring the ugly truth to light. Because this ensures that the systemic child abuse can go on in the dark. So, if you decide to do that, you will switch from not helping to helping the abusers hiding the crimes. Your choice.
"YOU should be out there pounding the pavement HUH?!!?"
That's interesting, because your own argument was that I can't tell from another place in the world what kind of person you are, but now you judge what kind of person I am based on what I have written on a forum. So, is it okay to judge a person based on how that person behaves, or is it not okay?
If you knew me, you would know what I am doing when not writing here. But you don't know that at all.