Let that sink in. Your «consent» is tied to your ability of self-thought-control.

And the term «Eternal-Suffering» needs to be clarified: When someone like me uses this phrase, I do not mean that you're being tortured 24/7 non-stop with no surcease from being forced to endure never-ending excruciating pain, but, more along the lines of how at some point any «peace» that is experienced is only temporary rather than permanent...

Ultimately like a mere temporary happiness versus permanent-happiness. Like a False-Light instead of the True-Light. Like Fake Food instead of Real Food... your «Mind» stays with you Eternally.

Now guess what is the most-important thing that you can protect to avoid never-ending suffering manifestations that always seem to disturb and disrupt any peace that you think you've achieved?

I will need to post-pone further-elaboration for another day, but, for now, let's meditate! (After I eat)

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Bad people really love the idea of implied or tacit consent. Because it's so easy to feign consent of another person if that person is unable to defend itself. It's psychological terror.

True consent is happening when a person agrees with something AND understands the consequences.

Example: You are offered a contract that will make you rich, but only if you sell your soul to the devil (meaning selling yourself into slavery). This contract only works for the devil if you don't know what this means. Good people will never accept the notion that such a contract is valid. Because if it was, slavery would become a right.

So, no, your consent is NOT tied to your ability of self-control. If it was, a person with no self-control – especially children – could be legally tricked into slavery.

Re: «So, no, your consent is NOT tied to your ability of self-control. If it was, a person with no self-control – especially children – could be legally tricked into slavery.»

Joke's on you; all human «children» have been «adults» before.
Exceptions would be direct-incarnations rather than re-incarnations...

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@Aéius Cercle:

"all human «children» have been «adults» before."

Please clarify whether I understand your argument correctly: Do you want to say that it's okay to enslave children, who are people who don't remember being adults? Because they are still guilty?

Re: «Good people will never accept the notion that such a contract is valid.»

The «Nazis» believed themselves to be good people.
Both sides of the «Ukraine-Russia» conflict believe themselves the «good» guys...
Both the «Liberals/Democrats» AND the «Conservatives/Republicans» also consider themselves or their «Team» to be the «good» guys...

So you were saying about what «good» people will and will not do now? ;O

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@Aéius Cercle:

"They have been complicit to the enslavement of other children before."

Did they got a fair trial in which they were proven guilty? If so, where can I find the records of this trial, and the evidence that has been provided? How does your version of Karma determine how long they will be enslaved? How are they set free when their time is over? Will they gain their memories back after having served their sentence?

"The «Nazis» believed themselves to be good people."

Doesn't matter, because it doesn't become true just because they believed in it or said it. What matters is what people do.

"So you were saying about what «good» people will and will not do now?"

Yes. Good people follow the non-aggression principle. Nazis are aggressive. Ukraine is aggressive. Russia is aggressive. Liberals are aggressive. Democrats are aggressive. Conservatives are aggressive. Republicans are aggressive.

None of them are good.

Re: «Did they got a fair trial in which they were proven guilty?»

The Law of Boomerang-Energy is EXACT. Nothing is more «fair» than that...
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Re: «How does your version of Karma determine how long they will be enslaved?»

Not my version. Simple Inter-Universal Truth that is Immutable.
You are «enslaved» for as long as you are still complicit to «enslavement» upon others that has not yet been «accounted» for. Tax-Payers (and voters) are complicit to myriads of slaveries. If you've been complicit to enslaving others for hundreds of thousands of years then that is how long you will be enslaved for. If you continue to be complicit to enslaving others no matter how many times you are warned to stop being a tax-payer who thus funds iniquity then your enslavement continues for as indefinitely as you insist on remaining a tax-payer who continues to be complicit to enslaving others.
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Re: «How are they set free when their time is over?»

The enslavement-manifestations simply cease to to pester them as they achieve Divine-Protection.
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Re: «Will they gain their memories back after having served their sentence?»
Yes.
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[Various other stuff in mind currently untranslatable]

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@Aéius Cercle:

"You are «enslaved» for as long as you are still complicit to «enslavement» upon others that has not yet been «accounted» for."

ISBEs with wiped memories can't be complicit, because they don't remember. Wiping the memory makes it even worse: The convicted ISBE doesn't know what it's being punished for. How can this be just?

"Tax-Payers (and voters) are complicit to myriads of slaveries."

Children don't pay taxes and don't vote. So, why put up a prison where children are raised to become tax paxers and voters, instead of teaching them why it's wrong?

"If you've been complicit to enslaving others for hundreds of thousands of years then that is how long you will be enslaved for."

How does that make anything better? What I mean: Imagine an ISBE that enslaved others for 3,000 years. The karmic judge then sentences that ISBE to be a slave for 3,000 years. The ISBE, if not memory wiped, gets the point after 500 years, repents, and promises to not enslave others anymore. Will Karma then say: No, you have to stay a slave for another 2,500 years. It doesn't matter that you now understand and want to do good.

Your version of Karma works like a machine that doesn't care about how the soul developes, but instead, creates more unnecessary suffering. It's a punisher, instilling fear of the consequences instead of true understanding. It's like how bad people would handle it.

Re: «How can this be just?»

Energy returns exact energy. That is how it has always worked eternally and will always be that way.
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Re: «[...] instead of teaching them why it's wrong?»

Nobody is stopping you from teaching them that such actions make them incur suffering consequences. Man is foolish, though, thinking that he should believe religion or government for their salvation.
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Re: «gets the point after 500 years»

Good... that means they will halt their «suffering» sentence to only 3000 total years rather than extending it into the milllions or billions or trillions or even an indefinite for-ever duration.
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Not my version. Simply the truth of how it has always worked eternally and will always be that way.
I do not make the rules and am only a «Messenger» from the Source-Realm.
I can only do «so much» to «clarify» reality but I cannot force you to accept the wisdom.

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@Aéius Cercle:

"Energy returns exact energy."

An eye for an eye?

"Nobody is stopping you from teaching them that such actions make them incur suffering consequences."

That's not the point. Why is your version of Karma creating a prison where people are punished instead of teaching them what they have done wrong? Why does Karma allow a prison where children with no memories are suffering for no good reason?

"... that means they will halt their «suffering» sentence to only 3000 total years rather than extending it into the milllions or billions or trillions or even an indefinite for-ever duration."

So, your prison actually allows for a prisoner to extend their sentence, on the basis of a memory wipe that will highly increase the probability of the prisoners to extend their sentences, because they are tought to be evil instead of being good. What an evil concept. It's fascinating that you believe this is good.

"I do not make the rules"

This is the excuse of every order follower in history.

Re: «An eye for an eye?»

Precisely.
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Re: «Why is your version of Karma creating a prison where people are punished instead of teaching them what they have done wrong? Why does Karma allow a prison where children with no memories are suffering for no good reason?»

You are being taught if you bother to pay attention. The definition of stupidity as said by Einstein:
«Doing the same thing over and over again and still expecting a different result.»
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Re: «your prison»

Not my prison. I did not create the system.
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Re: «This is the excuse of every order follower in history.»

Sure, but, I do not enforce their insanity either. I am not following any orders of the insane.
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@Aéius Cercle:

"You are being taught if you bother to pay attention."

Children always pay attention. They are still being taught to become obedient tax payers and voters, resulting in a recreation of the initial suffering instead of a healing. Do you really believe that they deserve to suffer if it's the punishment of karma itself that extends their suffering?

"Doing the same thing over and over again and still expecting a different result."

You mean, like expecting people to become good by punishing them with violence? What you are describing is hell as a correctional facility. People are not taught what it means to be good, they are tortured until they become unable to resist any longer.

"Not my prison. I did not create the system."

But it sounds like you like it.

"I am not following any orders of the insane."

But you are following orders of a person you deem to be sane. As you said: All the evil-doers think of themselves as being the good ones. Your master is the only one who is sane, and not following his orders is the definition of being insane.

You proved again that you are an evil person.

Re: «deserve to suffer if it's the punishment of karma itself that extends their suffering?»

It will be easier to explain some of my pre-incarnation memories in order to explain what's happening.

[Reality Layer 1: Non-Defined]
[Reality Layer 2: Spirit-Realm]
[Reality Layer 3: Physical-Earth]

I have very distinctly strong pre-incarnation memories of this... I witnessed that the reason why beings kept getting «trapped» here was because, well, this place is a «trap» and that is what a «trap» does... that is what a «trap» has been designed to do. They «trap» you to keep you from escaping.

Anyway, there are beings who operate at RL2, whilst you can only see/perceive RL3 if relying on materialist-senses. When a human-baby is «born» they are certainly «born» with a «clean slate» according to RL3, but, if they had carried any burdens from RL2, they will still be «subject» to the risk of being made to «suffer» as a result of RL2 records that have NOTHING to do with RL3 activities.

Now, here is the thing that you as mere mortals are not aware of when it comes to the «unjust» suffering that humans experience, and, that beings from RL2 are ALWAYS INVOVLED in instigating the «punishment/suffering» upon beings at RL3; NO EXCEPTIONS. How-ever, those RL2 beings do so out of hatred or what-ever negative-emotion-reasons against RL3 beings, BUT, the RL2 beings apparently ignored and didn't heed my warning that they would be doing that unto themselves when I attempted to warn them from RL1 before I «descended» into RL2 and eventually «incarnated» here into RL3.

And it is absolutely a «crime» for the RL2 beings to be doing so unto RL3 beings. RL2 beings falsely believe that they can «get away scott-free» with making RL3 beings «suffer» for things that were NOT done during the RL3 current-life (due to being «invisible» ot the RL3 Beings), so for example, if an RL3 being was a thief in its previous-life, but, has not stolen from anybody ever since being born as a human-baby, then, yes, for them to be stolen from under RL3 life-records is most-certainly «unfair» and «unjust» from the RL3-Perception, but, various RL2 beings don't seem to care, and, instigate causing thefts from the RL3 people anyway.

There's all kinds of things I'd like to elaborate upon but they're very difficult to translate into Human.
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Re: «like expecting people to become good by punishing them with violence?»

There are no «expectations» but simply the raw laws of energy.
If I put my hand onto a hot searing stove it is definitely going to get burned.
If you keep banging your head into a wall like a human-cannon your neck probably breaks.
Similarly, if you keep being complicit to making others suffer, the energy makes you suffer in return.
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Re: «But it sounds like you like it.»

I am only translating. I don't have any particularly strong feelings or emotions for this material-realm.
I will «go home» after I'm done here with this current human-life and I do NOT want to return here...
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Re: «But you are following orders of a person you deem to be sane»

Whose «orders» am I «following» and why do you think I am «worshipping» some sort of «Master» ?
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[Edit/Update] https://www.karmictruth.com/man-made-versus-spiritual-law-summaries-01.html

I am only the translator here and if you insist on mis-interpreting the wisdom then that is on you.
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@Aéius Cercle:

"if they had carried any burdens from RL2, they will still be «subject» to the risk of being made to «suffer» as a result of RL2 records..."

This doesn't make sense. Being limited to RL3 means to be unable to be aware of RL2. Your version of karma assumes that it's just to make a RL3 being carry a RL2 burden, which the RL3 being cannot be able to comprehend.

"...that have NOTHING to do with RL3 activities"

Then why is there a connection at all? If the RL3 being is not connected to RL2, then why do you assume that there's a connection that puts a just burden on the RL3 being? I don't get how your logic works.

"How-ever, those RL2 beings do so out of hatred or what-ever negative-emotion-reasons against RL3 beings, BUT, the RL2 beings apparently ignored and didn't heed my warning that they would be doing that unto themselves when I attempted to warn them from RL1 before I «descended» into RL2 and eventually «incarnated» here into RL3."

So, the RL2 beings aren't just. They judge RL3 without the right to do so.

"And it is absolutely a «crime» for the RL2 beings to be doing so unto RL3 beings."

Now you prove my point.

"Similarly, if you keep being complicit to making others suffer, the energy makes you suffer in return."

So, what I get from this: It's the RL2 beings who are actually causing the suffering, and they use RL3 beings as scapegoats.

What I don't understand: You argue as if the crimes of the RL2 beings is how Karma works naturally. But it's not at all how Karma works in nature, and you seem to agree by calling it a crime.

Why do you defend the RL2 beings as if it's the fault of the RL3 beings when they are tortured?

Re: «But it's not at all how Karma works in nature»

You don't actually understand how it works because you don't have RL1 Memories. I do.

https://www.karmictruth.com/

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