Re: «deserve to suffer if it's the punishment of karma itself that extends their suffering?»
It will be easier to explain some of my pre-incarnation memories in order to explain what's happening.
[Reality Layer 1: Non-Defined]
[Reality Layer 2: Spirit-Realm]
[Reality Layer 3: Physical-Earth]
I have very distinctly strong pre-incarnation memories of this... I witnessed that the reason why beings kept getting «trapped» here was because, well, this place is a «trap» and that is what a «trap» does... that is what a «trap» has been designed to do. They «trap» you to keep you from escaping.
Anyway, there are beings who operate at RL2, whilst you can only see/perceive RL3 if relying on materialist-senses. When a human-baby is «born» they are certainly «born» with a «clean slate» according to RL3, but, if they had carried any burdens from RL2, they will still be «subject» to the risk of being made to «suffer» as a result of RL2 records that have NOTHING to do with RL3 activities.
Now, here is the thing that you as mere mortals are not aware of when it comes to the «unjust» suffering that humans experience, and, that beings from RL2 are ALWAYS INVOVLED in instigating the «punishment/suffering» upon beings at RL3; NO EXCEPTIONS. How-ever, those RL2 beings do so out of hatred or what-ever negative-emotion-reasons against RL3 beings, BUT, the RL2 beings apparently ignored and didn't heed my warning that they would be doing that unto themselves when I attempted to warn them from RL1 before I «descended» into RL2 and eventually «incarnated» here into RL3.
And it is absolutely a «crime» for the RL2 beings to be doing so unto RL3 beings. RL2 beings falsely believe that they can «get away scott-free» with making RL3 beings «suffer» for things that were NOT done during the RL3 current-life (due to being «invisible» ot the RL3 Beings), so for example, if an RL3 being was a thief in its previous-life, but, has not stolen from anybody ever since being born as a human-baby, then, yes, for them to be stolen from under RL3 life-records is most-certainly «unfair» and «unjust» from the RL3-Perception, but, various RL2 beings don't seem to care, and, instigate causing thefts from the RL3 people anyway.
There's all kinds of things I'd like to elaborate upon but they're very difficult to translate into Human.
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Re: «like expecting people to become good by punishing them with violence?»
There are no «expectations» but simply the raw laws of energy.
If I put my hand onto a hot searing stove it is definitely going to get burned.
If you keep banging your head into a wall like a human-cannon your neck probably breaks.
Similarly, if you keep being complicit to making others suffer, the energy makes you suffer in return.
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Re: «But it sounds like you like it.»
I am only translating. I don't have any particularly strong feelings or emotions for this material-realm.
I will «go home» after I'm done here with this current human-life and I do NOT want to return here...
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Re: «But you are following orders of a person you deem to be sane»
Whose «orders» am I «following» and why do you think I am «worshipping» some sort of «Master» ?
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[Edit/Update] https://www.karmictruth.com/man-made-versus-spiritual-law-summaries-01.html
I am only the translator here and if you insist on mis-interpreting the wisdom then that is on you.
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