RE: #3...

OMGs, cult, loonies, evil, David Miscavige, harassment, Tom Cruise looney, kidnapping, Xenu, bunch of idiots controlled and manipulated, weirdos, lawyers.... and other bad stuff....

Ok, gotten pat the silliness, and if you search around, you'll see I've posted positive stuff about Scio (although, I abhor the 'cult' of that's based in Clearwater, Floriida... I'd *like* for those SEAOrg members to have gotten up to OTVIII and can easily avoid those traps, and to come back and save the planet... for that matter, anyone who has gone up high enough... The Grades should be given out for free to everyone who asks!!! (you're not going to Clear the planet when you demand everyone coughs up a few months' worth of wages for the 'privilege'!!! (They should also invest the millions of dollars already made into making as many (field) auditors as they can... (again, give auditing for free.... or at least closer to minimum wage levels).

I'm curious about the Dalai Lama... does he actually have full clear memory? Or only a bit here and there, and a touch of psi to tell what was his and who he knew?? Has he ever talked about what was between lives?? (and, why is he always a he??)

But... I think it might actually be useful to RV LRH at the times when he was getting his information... did he have 'help'? Was it just memory?

I don't agree with your views on Scientology. They are following the polices of LRH of how to run the organization, and having the huge objective of clearing the planet takes a lot of money. An organization that really can make a difference and improve conditions on this planet will always be attacked by the Elite and the mob. 

But that is besides the point. The idea is to RV LRH and other OT's to see if going up the Bridge enables them to avoid the death traps. This is not about the organization or its methods, only about their results. 

This post is about finding the path out of the prison.

Hi Hubert, my understanding is that the death traps have been in operation for millenia if not millions of years and will be immensely difficult to dismantle, and therefore will be a major obstacle for freeing people in many years to come. There are so many of them spread across our solar system and galaxy and they are very well hidden and protected.

You are right about saying that when they are dismantled, we dont need to worry about the death traps anymore, but I maintain that for now and for many years to come, this is mankind's most serious problem .

Hi Morten, I agree completely with you.
It's just that from a personal standpoint I think there is little chance that I will find a way to avoid the DT's.
For the moment I see two:
1. Looking for 'Harvey' and his team and hoping to be 'picked up'.
2. Going deeply inside and connect with 'source'. No idea how I would do that, but you never know.
And of course there is always the chance that there are other scenario's that we are not yet aware of as were discussed in a RV session of two French seers. They saw 'many different scenario's or the soul/isbe'. That discussion (video) is in one of the threads of the forum. But you have to be able to understand French :-)
Apart from that: many isbe's, like Courtney, Aziz, Tesla (who reincarnated again as the [deceased] genius Patrick Flanagan), Isabella Green (who wrote the book 'How to exit the reincarnation cycle') and more decided to incarnate here in order to free humanity. So it can't be that bad to go through the DT's.
So these are all very personal considerations. But for humanity as a whole I completely agree with what you just said.

Correction: scenario's FOR the soul/isbe.
Also, after reading the books from Michael Newton about the 'in between state' there are many things there to look forward to. Meeting the people I deeply loved for example. Even if they are illusory (whatever that may mean) I still love the love.

I disagree.

I think it depends on your state of mind when you body-drop.

IF you're fully conscious of the event, and can keep a fairly clear state of mind, and KNOW that what you're experiencing is part of the DT - the illusions, the emotions that get thrown into you, the 'loved ones' (part of the illusion), then I think there's a good chance that you won't fall for it.

Also, if you realise that the perception you have at that time is still mostly just a hang-up from your human existence (e.g., being a bit less than 2m tall, and only a few Kg in weight) instead of being the Being that you are ('infinite' in size, and whatever mass you decide to be in the MEST universe). IF you can get past that, then I think you should be able to avoid the DTs, because they're primarily (solely??) targeting 'humans' (and other, less than 2m tall, approx 100kg beings).

There's simply NO way a DT can handle a being that expresses/identifies itself as, say, the size of a planet or star (or bigger), or doesn't rely on 'time' . Can you expand your "consciousness" (awareness, Beingness) so that the DTs are insignificant??? Less than a virus particle in a cell??

The 'zapping' is basically like lightning or electricity shooting through your body, and during that process, the mind gets wiped... but what does lightning mean to a star? Or even a planet??

"Meeting the people I deeply loved for example. Even if they are illusory (whatever that may mean) I still love the love."

Surely it would be much better to meet up with the actual Beings that they are, will full awareness and consciousness... not merely the 'meatsacks' that they walked around in for a few decades only....

(not trying to be too personal, but have you had the experience of knowing someone that you know you've had previous life connections with? And, how does that feel compared to those you don't have that with? The "we have known each other for many many millenia, and it's good to see you again" is a cool thing... and that's really what part of what we're tying to do is all about)

Hi Gary, You write: "She definitely makes the Void sound like the place you really ultimately want to be as it is totally intrinsically fulfilling and free from all restraints/constraints. Ultimate freedom. Who wouldn't want to exchange 'civilisation' on planet Earth for that place-state?"
Maybe me. One of my problems with 'ultimate freedom' is that I have a hard time imagining what that would be. My best memories on earth are intense loving relationships with people. My mother, my friends, my partner. Will I meet them there? If not what does that freedom mean?
Another point is that I would love to help free humanity from the DT's. I see so much potential in the human species if only we could come together as one. My guess for now is that you have to be inside them to be abe to help with this.
Also I am not THAT afraid of the DT's seeing so many great spirits/isbe's com back as great helpers to humankind. I guess you keep enough of you essence in your next incarnation, to continue with your path.

This is to both Hubert and Shiningbrow. Sorry I've taken an entire month to get back to the pair of you! I'll answer Hubert first.
You say you have a hard time imagining what ultimate freedom would be like; well, for me for starters it would be existing as an
entity form that doesn't necessarily have a physical body; when you consider all the ills that human flesh is heir to there's a lot to
be said for experiencing in a realm where physicality isn't an automatic given. I've read about entities that exist as light forms; I'd quite like to experience that. I take your point about loving relationships with people. I feel that way about my deceased mother and although I would hugely enjoy seeing her again if the price of a reunion was finding myself back in a human body for another round of reincarnation then I find myself wondering whether the pleasure of renewing old acquaintance is really worth it? Better to sidestep the allure of the light it seems to me. I remember Wes Penre or someone similar seriously maintaining that looking 90 degrees away from the light when you're in the tunnel allows you to preserve greater autonomy so that you're better able to argue your position if the ' benificent beings ' are really trying hard to railroad you into your next incarnation ...
Maybe some of the spiritual work we need to do on ourselves is weaning ourselves away from inordinate attachment to certain human beings? I too would like to help humanity emancipate ourselves from the DTs but don't have much clue at the moment as to how to go about this. Several nights before posting this I came across an article which gave the best proposed solution to the problem that I've seen yet (I wasn't able to read it all at the time unfortunately) and although I thought I'd successfully bookmarked it so that I could offer it up for interested people in this forum I have been unable to find it again. So, alternatively, I am going to offer you this URL which should furnish food for thought and maybe even useful insights:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=TRanscending+the+reincarnation+trap&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdsF8WDW7Yx0

I'm not quite sure what you meant by the sentence "My guess for now is that you have to be inside them to be able to help with this." Inside the Death Traps? Please clarify.

Shiningbrow. I couldn't agree more that these damned things need to be taken down. It would be something to be remembered for assisting mightily in this regard rather than for the usual hackneyed 'achievement' of having arrogated unto yourself some obscene amount of money ...
If the D.T.s are networked together then we're probably going to need major assistance from the technology that Courtney's good E.T.s have.

Hi Gary.
You say: "for starters it would be existing as an entity form that doesn't necessarily have a physical body"
Off course that sounds great and i would also like experiencing that. But maybe I have, and once I get my former memories back: I already 'did that' and that's the reason why I chose a material body. Why do almost all the aliens that we meet have a physial body? Why do reptilians organise rituals where they 'come into flesh' and indulge in rituals with adrenochrome? Probably because 'living in the flesh' has some very interesting extra feelings. So it might be that ultimate freedom in energetic form is boring. And ultimate freedom in a physical body is hard to imagine for me.

The attachment to other human beings is a hard one for me. To me human beings are an endless possibility for great interactions. So it's not just 'some humans that I am attached to' Choosing between 'free and alone' or reincarnate and have great interactions with other human souls... I prefer the latter..

Great link by the way. I'm surprised to see so many people discussing this. Thre's too much great information... overload.... Hope someone can put this in an overview for others.

Hubert,

You are saying very profound things here and several are comments that have never occurred to me before! Go easy or you might damage my brain. You are obviously much more gregarious by general temperament than I am. I've NEVER had a problem with solitude the way so many people seem to. I'm beginning to suspect that as beings we oscillate in this respect ( around a mean) and that we all get to experience all the personality types (Tarot archetypes?) eventually so the swings and arrows of our outrageous fortunes even out ultimately. You could also posit that precisely why we reincarnate could be because 'ultimate freedom in energetic form is boring...' We oscillate anyway between physicality and 'the other side'.

I'm delighted that you liked the link! Inasmuch as I find myself being drawn to this issue on the Farsight forums more than any other
you may well see yours truly ultimately assuming the mantle of 'most intellectually invested human on this thread.' Check back here from time to time as I think that I may post here fairly frequently.

Regards, Gary T.

Firstly, I disagree with the statement that we won't be able to get our full memories back. They are definitely available, and many have done so (I'm sure Morten would agree). But, yes, while generally under the influence of a DT, those memories are suppressed.... actually, by the actual mechanism you mention - "forget to remember, remember to forget". But what happens when you remember to make that command?? Then it comes flooding back!

Disabling off planet - well, possibly... We'll see. Disabling on-planet... two options - do so in the physical (e.g., raid the area and destroy it), or do it when you body-drop (if you're awake and aware enough to do so).

Yes, i do think they are operating on auto-pilot, and that in itself makes it better for us!