true. i often wonder what other info Courtney has when he summarizes. He seems to extrapolate far more than what is being offered by the viewers. His synopsis is very succinct while the remote viewing is often times incomplete and cryptic as one would expect. its possible he is projecting a lot of his own bias on the interpretations. hard to know without seeing the entire process.

Hé seems to refer to info given in the book from the alien interview by matilda o donnel macelroy. A very interesting interview, where the e.t explains alot about the history of this planet and the old empire whom have put this soul trap systeem in place (according to this e.t.It also made us forget our devine nature and our real powers etc. It is really Worth reading. I can send you a pdf format of the book.

I would very much appreciate a pdf of the book thank you Glen.

I can email it to you. Just need your email adres

projectcamelot.org/Alien_Interview_review.pdf

Thank you 😃

Thanks Glen my address [email protected]

Hi, the pdf has been send to your mail.

It is interesting, the prison planet, electroshock, amnesia ... how it reconciles with Death Traps ... but yes, Alien Interview, The Domain versus the "Old Empire" (Strikes Back?), on many levels is clearly fiction.

Yes,. The occupants of the craft were biological entities and not "doll bodies". Truely a work of fiction

You should be able to find the full transcript on YouTube.

I believe we are here for many reasons..first to clear and not accumulate karma second to see this as an illusion and that we are all one, trying to live with love in our hearts. Most of the book by Matilda O'donnell is correct as I have a knowing and recall of much of my past. It is impossible to walk this wonderful land without gathering much bad karma, this is the nature of the place, so we must forgive ourselves and all others we hurt and ask them to forgive us. You should pass on as like a shining light and a happy smile and believe you'll be meeting your creator! Peace

As I watched, listened and felt PrinCess express herself, I also felt like everything I knew had been turned upside down and shaken up. It was quite a shock to watch this and take it in.

Hi Crystal, Felt the same way. This was the 3rd time I had heard this information and each time from a different source. When I first read Alien Interview I dismissed it as just too crazy and not reputable. Then I read the another book (Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls) from an author I like, Nigel Kerner, who said the same thing about soul capture and earth being a prison. On a side note in both Nigel’s first book (Song of the Greys) and second he says the Greys are robots. Although they look organic they are not and programmed by their creators. Listen to several of the viewers in other videos mention how they viewed the emotionless and programmed thinking of the greys. I remember this in the War in Heaven video. Courtney says we are all recycled. Many here mention others like Wes Penre who says how we are not. I don’t know what to believe but sure hope not true.

Hi LRH,
I've not come into contact with information that would propose that this was a "Prison Planet" in a life after death spiritual reality before this Death Traps video. I did notice that one of the remote viewers described a river of souls which was one of the things Robin Landsong described in one of her near-death experiences. She has reported her experiences in many of her youtube videos which are somewhat different from mainstream experiences.

Hi Crystal, For me it was ironic that 2 books I recently read (Alien Interview & Grey Aliens & the Harvesting of Souls) proposed the prison planet idea before Courtney. Just blew me away to then see his viewers propose the same thing. Makes me more inclined to believe it when coming from 3 entirely different sources at different points in time especially when I hear Courtney insist that his evidence shows its real. NDE’s are not a good source as once you enter the light (so the books and Courtney say) the experience is not to be trusted. What you see may not be real but illusory.

I was feeling the same way. Courtney is obviously very intelligent, but his summaries have more information then the viewers have given. Unless there is more that we did not see. I will say one thing, this study is unlike anything I have ever seen and will continue to follow along with future subjects. Maybe he would consider more of this on how to fight back and some info about skinwalker ranch. Peace.

James -- I Agree with what you've said.
... and I would also like to know more about the military figures mentioned in the video about "Bashar".

Yes Alien Interview does appear as a movie script or simply fiction. At first I didn’t even finish the book. I had to laugh and consider it wasted time but at least book was a free downloaded pdf. I then read the followup book to Song of the Greys by Nigel Kerner. Although he went into far more areas than soul trapping it was similar but heavy with plausible scientific support. After I finished it went back and completed Alien Interview. That book is way more crazy than what Courtney proposes. Think he may have made a mistake pointing it out instead of allowing viewers to find on own.

what an amazing story this woman has. wow!!. thanks for sharing.

I’ve heard this from several sources through the years but I didn’t want to believe it. Now I’m just stunned because I do believe it.

What’s even more incredible is the book Courtney mentions, Alien Interview. I haven’t slept in days because I know in my heart this is real. How do we break free?

Hi Vickie, Yes I have gone back to reread Alien Interview and feel as you that in my heart it is true. Even other topics not discussed here are validated by Courtney such as the War in Heaven. That is in AI the asteroid belt is said to be remnants of a planet. Agree again on the most troubling question on how to break free. Wes Penre is mentioned in many of these posts and has good ideas. He said do not go to the light but look for holes in the grid and pass through one by intention. My own suggestion is to train your subconscious to make the correct choice to do this. For example when you are dreaming are you aware of it? You can practice to be aware by self hypnosis. At night put in ear buds and try listening to different lucid dreaming scripts on YouTube. Some are simply based on binaural beats and some are hypnosis based. Find those that last longer than 2 hours. Better than that is to have shorter ones available if you wake up in the middle of the night. During the day ask yourself if you are dreaming - not because you are but to develop the habit so you can say the same thing when you are indeed dreaming. Try to fly. Pull your finger (no pun intended) and see if it stretches. Key is to be able to make the correct choice in a realm we don’t normally experience.

LRH, your suggestions are good ones. I studied at The Monroe Institute and do fully understand going OB. At the institute I read all of Robert Monroe’s books and he talked about the net that keeps us bound to earth too. I didn’t fully grasp what he was referring to, until now.

Your suggestions of going OB in the dream state, but to first make a conscious decision to remember, is excellent. Ultimately, we have free will and I guess we need to remember that because we need to break out of this true and real matrix.

Vickie, I did not know Robert Monroe talked about the grid around the earth. That’s interesting but unfortunate for us. You probably have many hemi sync recordings to accomplish far more than what I have suggested. Lucid dreaming can become routine if you repeat that you will before falling asleep.

Monroe’s original “Journey“ books do mention it but not by name. He talks about meeting his higher self while OB and his higher self tells him that he can’t get too close to earth or he will be drawn in and essentially be trapped.

In The Ultimate Journey, his last in that series, he talked about hitting some kind of wall. Maybe it was the grid? In another, in the series, he goes OB and gets trapped in a box type of thing that was electric and he couldn’t get out. His higher self or guide did get him out and he wrote how the experience really shook him up.

If you haven’t read them they are very good books. In the first of the series, Monroe has a very hard time writing and wrapping his brain around what he was experiencing but by the second two, he was able to articulate it much better.

Vickie, That is amazing. It’s probably why you felt in your heart this was true. Do you go OOB & if so how? Hemi Sync? Ever experience this?

LRH, we all go OB almost every single time we go to sleep. Our bodies need rest but our energy bodies don’t need rest and would be very bored laying in bed all night so it leaves the body. A lot of dreams we have are out of body experiences.

Just like any ability, like being a musician, you have to make a very big effort and commitment to learning to go OB from a conscious state. I did make the commitment to practice this for a long time and I did have success.

I know a lot can be learned going OB but I was doing much the same as what the ET did to Matilda in, Alien Interview. I can never be satisfied with reading about anything. I have to experience it. I wanted to know in my heart that I was an immortal being and by separating consciously from my body I would know - and I did. ❤️

Oh LRH, I wanted to recommend the very best Hemi sync if you don’t already have a thousand of them. This is a very special one that was synced by Robert Monroe himself. It was found after his death and it’s been selling every since. This one has no voices to disturb you. It’s a free flow for deep meditation and OB states. This is the only one that worked for me because I don’t care about guided hemi sync. Free flow will really take you places if you work with it.
https://www.monroeinstitute.org/products/hemi-sync-meditation?_pos=1&_sid=8fa7497b5&_ss=r

Vickie, Yes we do go OOB every night when we sleep. Again in relation to this topic we want to prepare for this grid after death or perhaps see it OOB. To do that it would have to be a lucid dream or OOB experience. For me both are achieved differently. Lucid dreaming happens for me most often while sleeping and listening to a hypnosis recording to make me aware of my dream state. Think it just raises my vibration slightly from a theta state. OOB is much more difficult for me and only have done it briefly as to be honest got scared from several things. Most often it is the creepy noises and voices I hear when I exit. I try to ignore them. Other times it is what I see. Anyway still learning to not feel fear as when I do I return to body. Lucid dreaming is less traumatic and never have fear. However it feels more like fantasy than OOB where I am keenly aware of my environment. OOB requires me to be very still and trick my body to believe it is sleeping but I am conscious and try to roll out of it with my spirit body by intention. Is the hemi sync free flow on CD or file download?

I don’t know. I ordered it years ago on cd but I think they have it on a download too.

I know what you mean about the loud sounds and I was seeing some bad things. That’s why I went to the training there. I wanted to be able to control the experience. You can’t really control that first part but it gets more familiar each time. The first feeling of separation began to feel so good that I wound up right back in my body a lot of times. I know it’s easy for some but I had to work at it.

Lucid dreaming never appealed to me because I could never be sure if a dream was a dream, or not.

I trained as a hypnotist with Dolores Cannon shortly before her death and have learned through all those experiences that there are people that did come to earth at this time voluntarily to work on the grid. I never learned the whole story about the grid back then even though I tried.

Anyway, I think I have finally come full circle here. ❤️

Yes we have come full circle here and appreciate what you have shared. I am familiar with Dolores Cannon. Went to one of her trainees for a QHHT session. Was both good and bad. No need for detail but like the death trap heard myself on tape say things I simply could not believe. Maybe I do now. Interesting that she said some souls came back to work on (destroy) the grid. Remember if we do leave the earth we leave all behind - family, friends, love. Felt leaving was selfish. See it even more so now based on Dolores’ comment. What if we can come back to destroy this grid with others? It may not be done in my lifetime but what if we incarnate again without the electroshock wipeout? Bring knowledge back and a mission? AI said there were trapped Domain souls here. Friends, allies, us? There are some rough grid design detail from AI, Nigel Kerner’s book, John Monroe, and Wes Penre. Gonna review it. This sounds crazy and don’t remotely feel as one on earth save team. However this dialog is connecting dots for me, jogging memories from my QHHT session and someone I hypnotized. Realize I sound delusional to many on this forum but anyone on this topic would be seen that way by most people. Plus don’t care. Thanks Vickie.

You certainly do not sound delusional to me. I’ve been connecting so many dots too. It’s funny how the right information comes at the right time - now what to do with it?

doesn't sound delusional to me either. every time i think about this, i have the feeling of an uprising, like "the Arab Spring". I came across so much information written by Lisa Renee on her site: energeticsynthesis.com. Her work is way over my head but I love reading it. She refers to "grid wars", "consciousness traps", and "Frequency Fence", which lays it out in detail for anyone advanced enough to know what to do with it: https://energeticsynthesis.com/index.php/library/negative-alien-agenda/transhumanism-and-ai/3003-frequency-fence

I am interested in the book also. thanks, email [email protected]

Jean-Claude,

Sorry you couldn’t find the answers in the link. Even if you are not looking for a proof the death trap exists I thought the book was a fascinating read. It quotes from many ancient and also newer sources, describing our universe (when looked at from outside) as finite and egg shaped. That’s one of the meaning of the orphic egg and the snake (which guards it). It also explains why we are breaking easter eggs, etc.

I couldn’t summarize this huge work in a few words but I can try to briefly explain the gist that I managed to take from it and that rings true to me.

When we die, (and I believe even if we avoid going into the light) we will need to be prepared for the moment when we are confronted with entities that want to keep us in the prison. Just sneaking out and finding a hole in the grid is not what is suggested. Many have tried and failed as it is impossible to find the exit on our own. So when we meet the guardians, we need to insist that we will NOT undergo any judgement. Karma and everything that comes with it is part of the trap.
We need to be clear who we truly are and that we are going back to where we originated from.

The Gospel of Mary Magdalene describes several (I think it was seven) levels where entities will challenge our intention and we need to give the right answers to advance. This somewhat reminds me of the really scary entities in the Bardo Todol (Tibetan Book of Dead). I trust that I will have the right answers when required because my intention to leave is pure and intense.

One of the answers suggested was to pronounce that Jesus (“I am the way”) died for us and therefore we have the right to to follow him out of the prison. You’d need to read the book if you want to understand who Jesus (and Sophia) is in a gnostic understanding, that he was sent from outside to inform us that we are in a prison and that there is a way out.

On the website (didn’t see that in the book though) there is another, slightly different, method described. Since we are free to move in space and time after death we can intend to be at Jesus’ cruxifixction at precisely the time and place where he dies. There will be thousands of souls waiting for this moment and follow him out.

Georg, Urge you to read The (First) Apocalypse of James from the Nag Hammadi Library. Jesus explains to James what happens after death and how to escape those who try take souls by theft. I will paste where this starts here then go to the link for full context:
James, behold, I shall reveal to you your redemption. When you are seized, and you undergo these sufferings, a multitude will arm themselves against you that may seize you. And in particular three of them will seize you - they who sit (there) as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they also take away souls by theft. When you come into their power, one of them who is their guard will say to you, 'Who are you or where are you from?' You are to say to him, 'I am a son, and I am from the Father.' He will say to you, 'What sort of son are you, and to what father do you belong?' You are to say to him, 'I am from the Pre-existent Father, and a son in the Pre-existent One.
The link is http://gnosis.org/naghamm/1ja.html

Georg,

Thank you so much for taking time to summarize the process that the book advocates for people to escape the matrix.

I agree with almost everything that you wrote, and specially with the fact that the soul intention is absolutely clear, and that intention is clearly communicated to everyone involved.

However, after the soul has declined any invitation to go to the lights or other similar situations, where is it going? Or what does it want to do?

What concerns me a lot is that this process seems to be a very complex and scary, with a lot of challenges that the soul has to pass. And it seems that really bad things will happen to the soul if it fails these challenges.

So, I wonder if it is possible for the soul to experience a simpler situation after death. In fact, does a soul have to go through this hellish testing, or any testing at all after death?

From my perspective, the answer is no. Please, let me explain.

The soul is going through this difficult situation after death because whatever the dying person believes should happen after death does indeed manifest there.

How come, I’m sure you are going to ask me.

Well, after death a soul is no longer restricted or limited as it is in 3d. In this stage, the soul is an eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing entity that has the ability to manifest things instantly, meaning that whatever belief the person has about a situation materializes instantly and immediately right there.

In short, to avoid the bardo and soul recycling after death, first, before death, the person needs to have a positive peaceful belief system about the death process, and a harmonious and peaceful life.

The second and most important and difficult thing, is that the dying person has to believe that he is an all-knowing and all-powerful Immortal Being = Sovereign Being.

A Sovereign Being is capable of doing whatever Jesus did because Jesus said to us:

“The kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:21, KJV).

And

“He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” John 14:12

I did not know that about the nurse. You did your homework. Yes very true that mindset may not be enough. Excellent observation & conclusions. I will checkout this link. Thanks

Well, it might be a starting point to explore anyway. There are many OB methods.

Hi Vicky,

I looked for your post about the 3 after-death possibilities but I could not find it. After a long-week at work I was looking forward to reading your post in fine details because I felt that you got it right. In fact, you nailed it.

However, you have succumbed to the pervasive, constant bombardment of negativity that our planet is subjected to, and that led you into doubting yourself, negating your own beautiful work, and deleting your post.

Please understand that being a Sovereign Being means being God. Please take note of where capital letters are used.

This is where the challenge is for almost everyone:

"No human being ever assumes personal responsibility for the fact that they, themselves - individually and collectively - are gods. This fact alone is the source of entrapment for every IS-BE."

Matilda McElroy. Alien Interview.

Can you say:

"I AM God. I AM a Sovereign Being. I am an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-encompassing Immortal Being. I AM ONE with One Infinite Creator. I AM a Sovereign Being. I AM God".

You can change or write your own mantra to anchor your God within with your Sovereign Being. There are ONE.

Jean-Claude, you are so right. I deleted that post because doubt was put on what I said and that made my silly ego decide I needed more research. I was afraid it might stop someone from looking for more answers.

I have never doubted that I am a sovereign being but I began to wonder why the nurse died and said she knew she would go right back into a baby body. She knew that she was one of the 3000 from the domain that couldn’t be rescued from earth. She stayed in contact with the ET until her (the nurse’s) death and that ET surely would have made her aware of many things and maybe even some abilities she had forgotten. Yet she knew she wasn’t getting out.

I do believe this book is truthful so if she couldn’t get off the wheel of incarceration and go back to the domain then I’m not sure that strong belief and intent is enough.

Vickie,
I have not read the Alien Interview book but I believe Jean Claude is exactly right. We are divine beings. We are God and the more we believe this the more likely it is that we will simply feel where to go and what to do when we die to move outside this control system. I will not be going with any guides or down any light tunnel. I do have a plan and will know exactly where to go. Is it faith or intention maybe both. When Jean Claude mentions Sovereignty he hits it right on the head. We are Sovereign beings filled with the fire of the feminine creation force. I want to be able to create beauty with no restrictions with others who want to play with me.

You seem concerned that the nurse who talked to the alien said she would go back to a baby body. That is what happens if we do believe we cannot escape or do not have the will to leave. Maybe she said she would reincarnate because she was too attached to her body, her family or others material types of things. I don't know. But I do believe we cannot stay attached to the things of this world if we truly intend on ending our 3D physical experience on the planet. I believe intention is enough.

Hi Lori, Been catching up on replies to so many great posts. Just responded to another one of yours. Anyway it’s good to have the confidence of being God and ability to execute what you wish by pure intent. That may not be enough with what we are facing. As Georg put it “that’s why we are here on this forum” or something like that. We are learning and sharing. There really are ways things work and they apply to everyone. If you think you have the luxury to ignore it as an ISBE then you do so at your risk. We all have but we are learning from our mistakes and forgotten or wiped memories.

Georg, thank you for your inspiring words. I’m so glad to have found this forum too. I don’t believe I have ever had the opportunity to converse with so many open and highly intelligent people.

Years ago I saw the Ed Dame RV and I also read, The Adam and Eve Story recently. I thought it was interesting that, Alien Interview also clearly describes a pole shift coming on a regular basis and that why they believe earth isn’t suitable for humans. The military built those tunnels and started the space program based on what they learned at Roswell. We are certainly on the very cusp of another pole shift.

I don’t think there is an electronic copy of The Keys. What’s very interesting is that, The Keys have a map and the map clearly shows areas where people will come for reprogramming after the shift. I’m still reading because have to take your time with this book. It is said that this is a coded book that will open your memories of who you are.

In Alien Interview, the ET said that Australia was the place that had more survivors during the last pole shift. The Keys also confirm this. There’s some real correlations between the books and information for both came through an Is Be.

Georg, That was quite info filled post. Wow. Got a lot to read. Ed Dames actually predicted this earlier as I believe you said. Will read about the other items like flu, Iran, & N Korea from your link. Edgar Cayce predicted the pole shift (per Vickie) & many other events you can Google years ago. Cayce was always spot on. Scary.
So many posts here with so much to review & evaluate. Many of these books, predictions, videos, gospels, & writings have been around for some time but so much becomes new to us with Courtney weighing in to have us look seriously at this. So much we could not seriously before at least not me. Science, religion, and spirituality are not mutually exclusive - just need us to be able to understand.
BTW I too appreciate the people and what all share here in a thoughtful, non judgmental and sincere way

LHR, I never said Edgar Cayce predicted a pole shift. Maybe it was someone else? I never found that information in his writings.

No you did not. I did and was just referencing your mention of a pole shift as Cayce did. It’s amazing how much is validated from different sources such as this, grid, death traps, and more

Georg,

Many thanks for the above post.

Be well

Susanne, Thank you so much for your link. It sounds incredible! I’ll read it today.

Hi Susanne,

Thank you. I just finished reading some of the information on the website, and I was surprised to see that they talk about earth being a prison-planet, and the Alien Interview.

This certainly support Courtney's work on the Death Traps, and some of the discussions that have been taking place on this forum.

I think that we are on the right track here.

Hi Georg,

Back to the discussion. Yes, I'm familiar with the Ra Material but I don't remember much about it because I read it over 30 years ago.

However, I remember how the Ra Material and Seth Books by Jane Roberts shocked me and turned my catholic mind and belief system upside down.

One day, I threw these books in a trash container because from the standpoint of my catholic upbringing, they were pure heresy, and reading them would lead me to burn in hell forever. But something rang true in them, so I retrieved them from the trash container late that day.

As far as what I think about ascension through harvesting? Well, you say it beautifully, it is a trap in a multidimensional prison system.

Ascension is an integral part of the old venusian system of soul recycling that moves a soul up in an upgraded prison in 4d, if the soul is at least 51% STO. But it is still in prison.

Ascension is a no go, and I cite Eracidni Murev Te who suggests "to deconstruct any specific value you put on system of density progression." In so many words, avoid progressing from 3rd to 4th... density. Yes, you are progressing but you are still in prison.

So the big question is to know what a soul that refuses to go back to 3d recycling wants to do after death? For me the answer is to reunite with the Creator and figure out what to do next.

Hi Jean Claude,
I, too also came across the Seth books somewhere on my journey, and I find it simply amazing to meet you and other people here who walked similar paths. I will dive a bit deeper into Eracidni Murev Te's work, it sounds very interesting.

I’m learning so much from this discussion. What Jean Claude shared from Eracidni Murev Te’s response about “density progression “, and ascension as yet another trap is really something. What I’m thinking now is that our programming is based on linear, pyramidal constructs, so we value advancement “up” grades and levels: If we pass the tests we graduate. If we get good grades we earn advanced placement, promotion, higher status, make more money, etc. Even “levels of heaven”. It’s a total joke. Ascension is just another game. Infinite spiritual beings don’t play that.

I couldn’t agree more! I went down that ascension path years ago but I knew it didn’t feel right either, Susanne. Infinite spiritual beings don’t plat dat!

Lol - I mean, play that!

Hi Georg, I’ve read some of the RA materials and thought, wow, finally a body of information about our undeniable, inextricable connection with non-terrestrial races and the forms of influence they’ve had on us throughout millennia, and some great lessons for us all to be better. I also had to consider this information was channeled through a band of frequency we perceive as reality, which RA tells us is comprised of mixed influences. I’d include slanted Christian views and a contaminated historical consciousness. So, grains of truth. Like “Hidden Hand”, there’s always a hidden agenda. But I am beyond grateful for this input! As for ascension, I mentioned in a post below that I’m beginning to think the idea of ascension is built into the program of the prison system on this planet. We easily buy into concepts of going to a “higher plane”, like climbing up rungs on a ladder, but this is linear, hierarchical thinking, that I really question now. The idea of ascension as a positive harvest when we as a collective reach 51% STO and “poof”, graduate to 4th density incarnation apart from the NAA or negative polarity, I’m not so sure. I’m thinking about ascension now as more of a harmonic in a transdimensional frequency, or wave without barriers which we can access individually and collectively, if you consider that we are all ONE. Interested in your thoughts.

Georg, years ago I bought only the first book in, The RA Material. I read it and didn’t think much of it but then felt like I should order the whole set. As soon as I received it it just felt so wrong that I put it on a shelf and it’s been there every since. Kind of the same thing, Jean Claude did.

The Seth Material was so incredible for me at the time I read it. This really resonated with me too.

Hi Susanne - I completely agree with you. There was profound knowledge in the RA material. But all this STS/STO stuff, students can advance on either path if they manage to get good enough grades.. That's what felt plain wrong to me. Who's to judge whether we scored high enough?

All the knowledge shared there is totally pointless outside of the trap where all is one and complete. Someone once said: Knowledge is the study of the dead and dying, while truth is the remembrance of the living.

Hi Vicky - yes, the Seth material resonated with me much more than the RA material as well. It's years ago that I read it but I remember a certain warmth that emanated from it, while RA felt cold. Maybe some good cop/bad cop kind of scenario. Interestingly, both were channeled roughly around the same time. I find channeled material very interesting, but at some point I decided to not trust it either way. I believe it's coming from entities who are imprisoned just as we are but that have advanced by serving the agenda. In my opinion they are a dangerous waste of time so I moved on.

Hi Lori, Thanks for your comments. Yes I thought as well discussing pole shifts, wars, virus, and more did diverge from the death trap topic as well introduced an element of fear. We all agree we don’t need that. However what I did appreciate about those comments was that they again illustrated how much is being cross verified. We are presenting ideas from different sources that often are validating each other. It started with Courtney’s viewers at least partly corroborating Alien Interview. So far on this forum this has been seen for the grid, escape mindset methods, entities associated with this (from biblical to spiritual to extraterrestrial) and many personal experiences. Gregg Braden quantifies the nature of prayer with the strong electromagnetic field of the heart and quantum interaction with the universe. Nigel Kerner the author and Dr Stuart Hameroff the U of AZ researcher prove the existence of the soul right down to the microtubels in the brain where they may reside. These are people studying a topic from different disciplines yet arriving at the same conclusions. We are different people with ideas often finding validation with each other’s reference. That’s comforting to know along the way as we share this journey without fear but rather confidence.

Hi Georg, Getting around to responding to you now. So far has been Lori’s concern with the negativity of fear. Yes urgency is the correct word here with what’s been presented not fear. I realize this can be a mute point in the face of multiple timelines that exist but let’s stick to the one we share and discuss now. As you put it Georg- “the reason we are on this forum.” Back to the strategy you ask for in your post - read these comments, links, books, and watch the videos. There is so much here to learn. Will then experience in ways we have learned or aspire to - hypnosis, meditation, OOB, lucid dreaming. If I can’t exert conscious control in a dream I can not assume I will make a “correct” decision with regard appears to be true - the death trap. Escape by acknowledgement of our being an ISBE is not enough. If it were there would not be so many still in captivity. Many times we experience an entity in an altered state of consciousness that we trust. In reality it is us if all is one but not going there now. For me that entity has been Jesus. I am not a religious person. It’s not from how raised or what someone else tells me to believe. It always has to be experience. Try to experience as much as you can learn here. Meditate on it and decide. Right now what I have found in Jesus’ dialog with James from the Nag Hammadi library feels true. I will remember the answers but I will also be ready for anything else. This forum is for learning not self validating.

Well said Jean-Claude. We learn and move on. Have not directly responded to some of your posts lately as still reading and learning so much of what you have posted. Others as well. This forum has attracted people with so much to share and respectfully interact with others on a topic we know is not mainstream and certainly not widely accepted. Refreshing.

Wow, pretty intense things you were shown Vickie. Appreciate that you are reporting from experience. So now the relevance of the pole shift is offered as it exists in this death trap thread. It is not said in fear but in support of the argument that escape from the grid will be “easier” with so many souls that leave the earth during this shift. Souls will “storm the gates.” Interesting. You said this event would be very close. When? Edgar Cayce said this as well and said Mt Vesuvius and Mt Pelee erupting nearly at the same time would precede the event. Actually such a shift is happening already. It simply needs to accelerate. Will read the Keys of Enoch. Thanks.

LRH, I was not given a date since time doesn’t exist when you’re OB but instead the signs to watch and they are here. Do you think it would cause fear if I say what I saw?

No, think we all share what we believe both for feedback and to be helpful to others. If someone reacts in fear that’s their personal issue. From what I have read here most are pretty fearless considering the subject. What did you see?

Vickie,

All I can say is wow! You say thank you to me? In reality, I'm the one who should thank you for having the courage to go seek more information, and share it with our group.

And no, there is no fear in what you are reporting, and if someone feels otherwise then, s/he needs to go thru some serious schooling about the nature of reality.

And what an ingenious plan to get out of 3d! There is nothing that can stand up to billions of fully aware Sovereign Beings acting in unison as ONE to free themselves! Love it!

As far as the signs of this event are concerned, I think the decreased in Betelgeuse's luminosity is one sign. Are there others signs?

Many thanks.

Vickie,

I'm exhausted today. Please ignore my last question above. The answer is the last sentence of your last post.
Thanks again.
JC

Thank you so much Vickie for going into the deep and sharing what you have found! This means a lot to me and confirms my intuition.
If we are looking for signs (at the risk of talking about prophecies) I think cosmic dust darkening the sun would definitely be a sign. This could be similar to those three days of darkness that have been prophesied by several people. Assuming that the powers that control this planet know about this too, the virus and possible future wars could also be seen as signs of their preparations. And as crazy as it sounds, in the context of what you have seen, these signs would actually mean good news! We have been waiting for this for a long time. I realize that I sound like a doomsday cultist right now and I know that so far all of them have been proven wrong. All I can safely take from this is that whatever happens, I will be fine,

It’s been a very long time but this time we, “storm the gates”!

Vickie, did you see this in today’s space news? https://www.cnet.com/news/huge-red-star-might-explode-soon-and-next-few-weeks-are-critical/

Oh Susanne! No, I hadn’t seen this! This is from today! Wow! Tears of a kind of joy really started as soon as I read your link. Isn’t funny how really, ONE we are? Thank you so much!

Susanne, If this goes supernova it does not mean the end of earth. Stars often go supernova. Yes in Vickie’s vision it sends cosmic dust to our sun and causes it to go supernova. That is highly unlikely for many scientific reasons but I do not dispute what Vickie saw. Vickie, is it possible you may have seen one or more flares or perhaps a CME (coronal mass ejection) directed to earth? If so that could lead to pole shift and many other catastrophic events on earth. However nothing like the sun going supernova.

Hi Vickie, I found this part of your post especially fascinating:

"I saw a column of light coming from the earth and it was billions of people that had left their physical body. It was billions of lights as one, and they went from Earth and just kept going. The light never stopped or slowed down. They just went as ONE."

One of the questions that come to mind is when does it happen - after the sun explosion? I try to figure out when the gates will be stormed. Souls that will be released before the supernova event - how will they escape?

Georg, when the supernova hits our shield there will be much devastation on the planet all at one time and many will leave their physical bodies at one time. The column of light comes after the sun supernovas.

Jean Claude, I did write that I learned all this would happen in my lifetime. I understood that I should watch events in space because the shift is always caused by space events.

I won’t dispute earth science because I think it’s pretty clear that it’s small truths mixed with lies to keep us sleeping. What I understood is that the dimming of Betelgeuse was the sign I was to look for and that it will supernova. This whole chain of events will happen in my current lifetime on earth. Then I got a message for myself that said, “keep your eye on the sky and live for the now”.

Vickie, thank you for answering my questions. I absolutely believe what you are saying but I wanted you to say it a second time, just in case I misread your first account of these events. This is going to be a major event in our lifetime because the last supernova event experienced and seen on earth occurs in the 1700s if I'm not mistaking.

I'm good and at peace with what you are telling us. And in a month or so we will have more information about Betelgeuse.

Larry, yes traditionally, pole shifts (be it magnetic or physical) are caused by movement and shift in the molten iron core within the earth. But what Vickie is talking about has no reference point in geology as taught so far on earth. So , from this experience we will learn that space events can cause magnetic pole shifts on earth.

LHR, I did say this is my own learning. Each of us comes to our answers when we are ready. I absolutely know that a supernova is not an event that can destroy earth because I watched it happen before my sight. It will instead destroy our magnetic shield and flip the poles. And I absolutely know there are always survivors. Then I know that after a long period the whole thing happens again but the poles move right back to where they started. This is a cycle but each time can be a little different.

Jean Claude there is one other kind of sign to look for. After Betelgeuse supernovas strong cosmic rays are blasted our way. The cosmic rays are light photons. This light will serve to wake up a lot of people. It’s not to be feared either.

I’m sorry, Jean Claude but I was looking at my notebook and forgot that comment above and also that the photons will begin making auroras much more prevalent as they get closer to earth. There’s been a lot to think about.

So first, I like Larry so much better than typing your initials.

How I receive the information so I can understand what I’m seeing (with my sight not my eyes) is that I receive a kind of thought package. It’s not a sentence but it’s kind of like reading a book but all at one time. I fully understood what I was watching and yes, that information did fully make me understand that this was two supernovas that I was watching.

If I need additional information or I have questions a strange thing happens. I can hear the answers inside because they come from a kind of sound energy. It feels like connecting with my higher aspect or higher self.

Thoughts are real, this is how we create ..if we don't like what we see in our thoughts then we change the time line to a more acceptable one...I see this group starting to spiral down into panic mode, with fear of the final curtain. Stop looking without, when all happens within...everything you see,feel and will experience is only for you. You're looking for answers, but you'll find only possibilities, many different outcomes. My time line doesn't have a supernova nor a trap at death's door. Use your power to be a isbe!

I should add that Courtney’s team never called it a supernova in the RV that was done years ago. This is my own opinion based on my own knowledge.

I did some looking and Courtney Brown has removed all of the data for the RV I was referring to. I found only these pages (one is Daz Smith’s site). I guess Courtney has his reasons.

http://www.climatechange2013.com/?page_id=10

http://www.gatheringspot.net/topic/psychic-parapsychologyesp/post-2012-earth-changes

Jean Claude, thank you for your kind words. I’m going to see you for sure on the other side!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXC76gx--dxiXp5we6Bfp5yQJENZluszs

Also check out William Buhlman for out of body tips

and Delores Cannon for more about the afterlife and what’s going on here. Some really interesting perspectives.

As long as you’re not afraid or in a high emotional state when you die you’ll be able to think clearly and decide.

The Tibetan book of the dead describes the death traps and how to avoid them as well

Ann, Yes Alien Interview is depressing. At first I thought it was just ridiculous. When Courtney referenced it in Death Traps I went back and read it more seriously. Still who knows? Many here don’t agree with it and don’t think anyone believes it completely. Remember you are an immortal spiritual being. Take comfort in that and be aware of it. You said you have not mediated? It’s important. A simple way to start is to close your eyes and breathe deeply for 20 min. Focus on the breathing and ignore distractions. Watch a YouTube video on transcendental meditation for better technique but breathing and empty mind are key. Make it a routine twice a day and you will grow in enlightened and lose fear. Don’t worry about any out of body stuff. It sounds simple but love to others and yourself is so important. Forgiveness and compassion as well. It will enhance your “vibration” on earth and continue to serve you after death. The after death part is hotly debated here. I no longer adhere to my Baptist upbringing. God is within. I’m not going to the light again. 😄 in fact hope to join with some other spiritual warriors and destroy this grid. I’m always optimistic

Thank you Larry. I will definitely start that easy focusing meditation and look for some videos on technique in TM. I definitely need to calm my anxiety. I was also raised Baptist - and yes God is within.You are a brave soul and I hope other warriors are working on ideas now. I am amazed at how difficult they have made these traps. Thanks for being a warrior 😊