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Guest: I'm like right in front of this Norman Rockwell kinda of looking guy -- big, long flowing white hair... big white beard... [Wayne: Sounds like Santa Claus ] ...nah, it aint't that. You ain't gonna think it's Santa Claus after this although a lot of people... we'll talk about that later... He had burning, red eyes... brassy face... brass-colored face. But he's translucent kinda like the gold up in 'heaven', whatever you want to call that place. And he's SEVERE. This guy's not somebody that you wanna mess with. I mean, he's just full of SERIOUS intent. I mean, very, very serious guy and he's got all these star maps and he's showing them to me and I'm like absorbing it and he's trying to explain to me everything and I'm having to make some agreements to go into a body and he's showing me why. THIS star's aligned with THIS and THIS galaxy and THIS planet and THIS, THAT and it's like these maps.
Wayne: You don't remember these details at this point.. you just remember that he was explaining... it's all over your head? Kind of like you couldn't follow it?
Guest No, I understood it at the time but it's like it was blanked from my... it's like it was taken from me. I was left... he opened up some new books, okay, for me and he showed me how we interact with one another. And one of them was 'waves'. We're in waves and the waves go across the whole Earth and they're like a... imagine ocean waves. And there are waves that go across the entire Earth of Light and Darkness. And he showed me how he was like a filter for the Earth that caused the waves. In other words, he caused the waves by his presence of Darkness. It's like imagine putting up a veil in front of a window and some of it goes through and somehow putting the veil caused the Light and the Darkness on the Earth to pull up. The Light pulls up and the Darkness pulls down. And so the whole Earth was like a big round ball of waves that move across.
Wayne: Sort of like a prism in some kind of sense, or not?
Guest: I don't know. I mean, imagine a bowling ball but with waves going all the way across it. if you wanna call it a prism, I just know what it was, okay, and the Light pulled down and ... I mean, the Light pulled UP, the Darkness pulled DOWN and it was a perfect balance to him. And he was trying to explain to me how HE was superior to the Light. Okay. How WAS he superior? Because he had this thing balanced. Everybody lined up for miles and miles to come here because they wanted to experience what he has, and what he has is this perfect balance of 1/3 Light and 2/3... I mean 2/3 Light and 1/3 Darkness. It's like a counterbalance, the ying and yang thing. But the Lightness, it's more Light than it is Dark and it's not always exactly in balance. What he was describing is that he needed me to DO some things, to keep the balance of Light up because if they're aren't people doing 'Light' things then the balance gets too wonkered and it gets too dark and it's like GAME OVER -- everybody goes home, it's DONE. And he has to... he can not... I mean, people call him the Devil. How can a guy be the Devil who wants good things to happen, you know, that wants 'Light' things to happen, that wants Love, kindness, joy?
Wayne: Yeah, I was just about to say he's kind of encouraging you to do good works, that doesn't sound, you know, like the Devil.
Guest: Right? He ain't the Devil. I've heard --
Wayne: Maybe in a selfish way because he wanted to keep his system going?
Guest: Well, yeah. Yeah, the motive is totally insincere, you know what I mean? [Wayne: Right ] It's just because he wants to prove that he's better, you know, than the Light. He says, Look. I got all these people that come down here... trillions of souls, spirits... they all come down here... they line up.
Wayne: So you said you were falling so you think that we're the... we fell...we're the... you hear about the fall and the 2/3 of angels that rebelled against.. you know, Lucifer's rebellion that rebeled against God and came. Do you think that we're all part of, or most of the souls here are part of that?
Guest: Well, I think a third of us are. [Wayne: a third rebelled. Yeah, that's right, a third rebelled] ... If you were to balance it out that would be about right because it was 2/3 Light and it was a third Dark.. and it was gray and I didn't see any color. It was really weird. I saw it in grays and I saw the grays. And I saw how the lights can move and cause tsunamis of Light going across and he showed me how I can influence the world in a positive way, meaning Light. And he didn't say the word 'positive' okay, that's MY words. Okay, he's saying he needs me to do this.
Wayne: He just wants the system perpetuated. He wants to keep it going otherwise it's GAME OVER [Guest: yeah,] and his system wasn't so good to begin with, or something?
Guest: Imagine him. He creates tension. He creates tension between me and you. Between me and the Catholics. Me and the Baptists. Me and the Muslims. Me and the Communists. He creates the tension to create the waves, you know what I mean?
Wayne: I think you mentioned the 2/3 Light and the 1/3 Dark... that's probably what's behind the 666 meaning. 2/3 is .666
Guest: Yeah, nobody's saying that. [Wayne: No, I've never heard that before] And I'm the only one [Wayne: Some have mentioned 2/3 but not in that context of light and dark.] But it IS. It IS what it IS. [Wayne: That makes sense.] That's what he showed me. And he showed me that it's HIS game and if I want to participate I've got to agree to do what he says. And you know what that means? He showed me what that means. And when I tell you this
Wayne: You would've said No because everybody lines up for miles.
Guest: If you say 'No' you just sit on a shelf for the rest, until the end of Time, Is that what you want to do? I don't know, but just to be an observer? And maybe not even that. Maybe you just turn off until the end of Time. It's compelling. The story is compelling and that's...